Why does God not stop the evil?

[Gottservant]

If it were up to God to stop evil, God would be evil.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Ken,

My point was that events in time are infinite in consequences. All events within time are unbounded events, meaning they create streams of cascading consequences which fan out from each event.

Conversely, sometimes surgeons get cards, chocolates, flowers, etc, for saving a loved person's life. If your assumptions are correct, does this mean that families are socially obliged to congratulate said surgeon for every single child borne of this life-saving act, ad infinitum?

 

[Davian]

This explains why God does not stop evil:

Mr. Deity Episode 4: Mr. Deity and the Messages - YouTube

 

[32k]

Mr Pedantic,

No. Not sure how you arrived to that conclusion

 

[32k]

Ken,

I'm not trying to come up with a proportional justice scheme, i'm simply stating that events in time are infinite in consequences already.

 

[Ken-1122]

The result is that the total amount of guilt from a single crime remains constant indefinitely

I disagree and I don’t think you are able to prove your claim to be true because it is just as likely that what appears to be a crime today may turn out to be good in the future. Ex killing a person today may prevent his great, great, grandson from slaughtering millions in the future. But assuming you are right, how does that justify a different punishment against an eternal being vs a temporary being? Especially if the crime is simply worshiping the wrong God?

 

[Ken-1122]

Ken,

I'm not trying to come up with a proportional justice scheme, i'm simply stating that events in time are infinite in consequences already.

I agree that events in time are infinite in consequences but that is not what this conversation is about; we are talking about a proportional justice scheme

Ken

 

[32k]

Ken,

Forgive me for giving that impression. IT was an error on my part. A proportional justice system is not what I mean to argue for, it was just something I was taught in my Christian days.

 

[Ken-1122]

Ken,

Forgive me for giving that impression. IT was an error on my part. A proportional justice system is not what I mean to argue for, it was just something I was taught in my Christian days.

No problem. It was a great conversation anyway.

Ken

 

[OriginalOatmeal]

God wants people to stop evil on their own accord. It is better to give people the freedom. It is better not to have slave or robots who are forced to help others. If we were able to not do evil through our own power then we do not need Christ dying on the cross to save us from that. God wants us to want us. Why would we want Him if there was no evil, if there was no reason to want Him?

 

[Ken-1122]

God wants people to stop evil on their own accord. It is better to give people the freedom. It is better not to have slave or robots who are forced to help others. If we were able to not do evil through our own power then we do not need Christ dying on the cross to save us from that. God wants us to want us. Why would we want Him if there was no evil, if there was no reason to want Him?

I think you've got it backwards. We would want him if he were to stop evil, not the other way around.

K

 

[Davian]

It was the God of the OT that buckled my knees when I had seen His glory, His morality, and His virtue, His Majestic nature amongst so many attributes that I realized I had lacked, and that mankind lacked. When I gave up on man, God shone bright.

I love the God of the OT -- Jesus Christ. If you think that the God of the OT is bad, wait till the second coming of Jesus Christ.

Shout Glory

Is Jesus not the God of the OT?

What is there to be afraid of? If a rapist can get into heaven, that is.

 

[Davian]

God wants people to stop evil on their own accord. It is better to give people the freedom. It is better not to have slave or robots who are forced to help others. If we were able to not do evil through our own power then we do not need Christ dying on the cross to save us from that. God wants us to want us. Why would we want Him if there was no evil, if there was no reason to want Him?

So what is this God for, if not to stop evil?

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Mr Pedantic,

No. Not sure how you arrived to that conclusion

Why not? You said that events have infinite consequences. If those consequences can be as the result of a "bad" action, why can they not be the result of a "good" action?

 

[OriginalOatmeal]

So what is this God for, if not to stop evil?

God does stop 99% or more of the unlimited potentials of evil.

 

[32k]

Mr Pedantic,

I understand that part of both bad and good having infinite consequence, but as to how the obligatory factor came into play i do not understand.

 

[Davian]

God does stop 99% or more of the unlimited potentials of evil.

Do you realize that 99% of "unlimited" is a nonsensical amount?

If you don't know, don't make up nonsense.

 

[OriginalOatmeal]

Do you realize that 99% of "unlimited" is a nonsensical amount?

It is rather more nonsensical to understand the ways of God since His ways are higher than our ways and His thoughts are deeper than ours and His might is stronger than ours and His wisdom goes beyond what we can even imagine or comprehend.

 

[Davian]

It is rather more nonsensical to understand the ways of God since His ways are higher than our ways and His thoughts are deeper than ours and His might is stronger than ours and His wisdom goes beyond what we can even imagine or comprehend.

So you have come here to explain what you do not understand?

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Mr Pedantic,

I understand that part of both bad and good having infinite consequence, but as to how the obligatory factor came into play i do not understand.

I'm confused. Are you saying that people never, ever feel socially obligated to thank someone for an action that they did?