Why does God leave no tracks?

[Peter1000]

Off the top of my head, I don't know. Is that the gap in which you hope to fit your 'god'? Or was that "id"?

So to your knowledge, the Planck Epoch is untestable, and unfalsifiable?

My God is "ID". He is not a mist or essence floating throughout the universe. He is an advanced, resurrected, ominiscient, highly mobile, Man. He looks like you and I. We are made in His image. It is fascinating to study Him, now that I know what He is like.

 

[Davian]

So to your knowledge, the Planck Epoch is untestable, and unfalsifiable?

Off the top of my head, I don't know. Is that the gap in which you hope to fit your 'id'?

My God is "ID". He is not a mist or essence floating throughout the universe. He is an advanced, resurrected, ominiscient, highly mobile, Man. He looks like you and I. We are made in His image. It is fascinating to study Him, now that I know what He is like.

Wizard of ID

• Davian
• Apr 20, 2016

 

[Nihilist Virus]

I'm not sure what you mean by finite? You know that if you climb into a space ship that can travel
670,615,299 miles per hour it will take you 1,111 human years to cross the Milky Way galaxy.
If you travel 670,615,299 mph you can travel 1 light year in 1 human year.
It takes 100,000 light years to just cross the milky way galaxy.
If a man lives 90 human years, it would take 1,111 human years to cross the milky way galaxy.

It is 2.5 million light years from our milky way galaxy to the next nearest galaxy to us, the Andromeda galaxy. it would take 27,777 human lives to get to the start of this galaxy.

There are billions of galaxies just in the part of the universe that we can see. Finite is difficult to see.
When I hear finite, I think of getting into a space ship, and traveling in any direction, but because I can only go a finite distant, I will eventually smack into a wall. Or I eventually come to the universe starting line. In front of the line is a fully functional universe. Behind the line is nothing, all black or all white.

What I am saying is there was a beginning, but we do not know how the universe got started. No way to test the Planck Epoch. Nobody knows how the universe got started, except we have faith that ID was the responsible agent. How He did it is unknown to believers and scientists alike. We can see His handiwork though when we look at the universal constants. They are so precision, that it had to be an ID with the intelligence to program the elements in such a precise manner. No chance for a chance happening, too precision. A tiny amount off 1 way of the other, and no universe.

Firstly you don't seem to understand Relativity.

Secondly, I'm not talking about traveling. I'm talking about observing light. Do you know what a light cone is?

 

[Ed1wolf]

The first cause argument asserts that there must have been a cause for the t=0 event. The problem is lies in the definition of causality:

A system is a region of space.

A state is the arrangement of matter, energy, and otherwise existing things within a system.

Causality acts on a system to take it from one state to another over a duration of time.

"Prior" to the t=0 event, space and time "did" not exist. Phrased more precisely, in a state of reality wherein the t=0 event has not occurred, space and time do not exist. Therefore, causality does not exist. Therefore, the t=0 event cannot havebeen brought about via causality.

I already covered this earlier, but I will repeat it, there is evidence that there is more than one dimension of time. So our universe was probably caused from that other dimension of time.

 

[Ed1wolf]

Then you are also going to reject God? Or are you now going to back-pedal?

"The question of religious belief among US scientists has been debated since early in the century. Our latest survey finds that, among the top natural scientists, disbelief is greater than ever — almost total."

Leading scientists still reject God

Of course not, unlike most atheists and agnostics, I don't believe that most scientists are right about everything.

 

[Davian]

Of course not, unlike most atheists and agnostics, I don't believe

and how do you know what 'most atheists and agnostics' believe? Do you have some sort of fancy mind-reading apparatus?

Or you just telling them what they believe?

Another Unsuccessful Test

• Davian
• Feb 27, 2016

that most scientists are right about everything.

On what basis then do you cherry-pick from their opinions?

 

[Nihilist Virus]

I already covered this earlier, but I will repeat it, there is evidence that there is more than one dimension of time. So our universe was probably caused from that other dimension of time.

Just a punt. Still have to contend with the new issue you're creating.

Also I'm not sure there is actually evidence for what you're saying - just a neat theoretical model. There are other models too, aren't there?

 

[toLiJC]

There is one other option as to what would be better. There would be nothing better than a man that has his sins removed and then sees God and then continues to do His will.

i don't think so, because it is written:

John 20:29 "Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."

Not sure how to answer this reguarding a gigantic Puppeteer. I have never quite pictured God in that fashion.

now is the time, nothing comes/happens from nothing, what do you think holds the units whole and cohesive, and makes them function/move/work?!

And please explain what is in parenthasees (just because it is His turn)? Thanks

what does the word "turn" mean?

Blessings

 

[Peter1000]

i don't think so, because it is written:

John 20:29 "Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."



now is the time, nothing comes/happens from nothing, what do you think holds the units whole and cohesive, and makes them function/move/work?!



what does the word "turn" mean?

Blessings

toLiJC
i don't think so, because it is written:

John 20:29 "Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."

You don't think that men can be forgiven of their sins by God and then see God and then continue to do his will, because Jesus told Thomas, "because thou has seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."

The scripture is true. Thomas saw God and he believed, and many will not see God, but will believe. You will have to be more clear on how this scripture relates to a man being forgiven of his sins, sees God and continues to do God's will.

toLiJC
now is the time, nothing comes/happens from nothing, what do you think holds the units whole and cohesive, and makes them function/move/work?!

You are right nothing comes from nothing.
I'm guessing "the units" are the stars and planets in the universe?
For us Christians, I'm surprised you would ask me, "what do you think hold the units whole and cohesive, and makes them function/move/work?! And with your exclamation point, I take it you are a little upset with me. Am I right? And if I am right, why?

toLiJC
what does the word "turn" mean?

There are 2 meanings that I can think of:
1) a time or opportunity for action which comes in due rotation order to each of a number of persons.
2) to change the position of, by or as if by rotating; move into a different position.
Is one of these right?

If it is 1), please explain.

If it is 2), please explain.

 

[Peter1000]

Firstly you don't seem to understand Relativity.

Secondly, I'm not talking about traveling. I'm talking about observing light. Do you know what a light cone is?

I would like you to explain the theory of relativity to me in 2 small paragraphs please. If you can't do that, then I will be convinced that your PhD in physics and cosmology, etc. have been a waste of time.

You were talking about an infinite and finite universe. I was just making a point that when you are talking about the word finite in universe language, it seems like infinite in human language.

Again, tell me about a light cone in 5 sentences (not as difficult as the theory of relativity). Especially about the past light cone that exists before every light event (E). And especially for a given event (E), the set of events that lie on or inside the past light cone of (E), that would also be the set of all events that could send a signal that would have time to reach (E) and influence it in some way.

Now apply this light cone theory to the big bang theory as to very easily explain the causality of the universe in scientific terms.

 

[Davian]

I would like you to explain the theory of relativity to me in 2 small paragraphs please.

lol.

If you can't do that, then I will be convinced that your PhD in physics and cosmology, etc. have been a waste of time.

and what are your credentials, that you will be able to make an accurate assessment of these '2 small paragraphs'.

 

[Peter1000]

Off the top of my head, I don't know. Is that the gap in which you hope to fit your 'id'?

Wizard of ID

• Davian
• Apr 20, 2016

No. It has not been given how ID originated the universe, only that He did.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

I would like you to explain the theory of relativity to me in 2 small paragraphs please. If you can't do that, then I will be convinced that your PhD in physics and cosmology, etc. have been a waste of time.

The speed of light is constant in any reference frame.

You were talking about an infinite and finite universe. I was just making a point that when you are talking about the word finite in universe language, it seems like infinite in human language.

You were using human language to quantify distances so to say that you were making it seem infinite is bizarre. It's just an issue of scope.

Again, tell me about a light cone in 5 sentences (not as difficult as the theory of relativity). Especially about the past light cone that exists before every light event (E). And especially for a given event (E), the set of events that lie on or inside the past light cone of (E), that would also be the set of all events that could send a signal that would have time to reach (E) and influence it in some way.

Now apply this light cone theory to the big bang theory as to very easily explain the causality of the universe in scientific terms.

You can't apply this to the Big Bang, that's the point.

 

[toLiJC]

toLiJC
i don't think so, because it is written:

John 20:29 "Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."

You don't think that men can be forgiven of their sins by God and then see God and then continue to do his will, because Jesus told Thomas, "because thou has seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."

The scripture is true. Thomas saw God and he believed, and many will not see God, but will believe. You will have to be more clear on how this scripture relates to a man being forgiven of his sins, sees God and continues to do God's will.

to rely (mainly) on the knowledge is not right in the faith, first of all because the human knowledge as a main direction of faith is forbidden by God, as it is evident from what is written in Genesis 2:16-17, Genesis 3:6-7, 1 Corinthians 8:1-3 and other biblical passages, for (the kingdom of) God is love(1 John 4:7-21), another reason is that it cannot be guaranteed that every person will duly find the knowledge which would be necessary at the relevant time if the knowledge was the main direction of faith, also, the process of finding knowledge may be very hard and even (at least somewhat) impossible for people that turn out to be unprivileged (one way or another) in this regard, then, the way of knowledge might prevent the love from being shown, for example if we first had to amass great knowledge in order to be able to show love for our neighbor, then this would make us unable to show love until we have all that knowledge which would be necessary for the purpose - the more we immerse ourselves in the knowledge-intensive spirituality/religiosity, the more we may lose love

toLiJC
now is the time, nothing comes/happens from nothing, what do you think holds the units whole and cohesive, and makes them function/move/work?!

You are right nothing comes from nothing.
I'm guessing "the units" are the stars and planets in the universe?
For us Christians, I'm surprised you would ask me, "what do you think hold the units whole and cohesive, and makes them function/move/work?! And with your exclamation point, I take it you are a little upset with me. Am I right? And if I am right, why?

the atoms are units, the electron is an unit, the planets are units, the sun is an unit, the solar system is an unit, the stars are units, the galaxies are units, the biological cells are units, the bodily organs are units, the human mind is an unit, the human consciousness is an unit, the (be)souled beings are also units, there are also spirits of God that are units, etc.

forget about frustration, but it is more or less sad if christians show knowledge, but do not show right understanding

toLiJC
what does the word "turn" mean?

There are 2 meanings that I can think of:
1) a time or opportunity for action which comes in due rotation order to each of a number of persons.
2) to change the position of, by or as if by rotating; move into a different position.
Is one of these right?

If it is 1), please explain.

If it is 2), please explain.

let's say i used the word "turn" in the sense of business i.e. some things are not our(human) business, but a secret plan of God

Blessings

 

[Peter1000]

lol.

and what are your credentials, that you will be able to make an accurate assessment of these '2 small paragraphs'.

LOL is appropriate, I was being funny too, because NV told me that I seem to not understand relativity, implying that he did. Good luck with that.

I have a PhD in CS (Common Sense).

 

[Nihilist Virus]

LOL is appropriate, I was being funny too, because NV told me that I seem to not understand relativity, implying that he did. Good luck with that.

I have a PhD in CS (Common Sense).

I said you don't understand Relativity because of this:


You know that if you climb into a space ship that can travel
670,615,299 miles per hour it will take you 1,111 human years to cross the Milky Way galaxy.
If you travel 670,615,299 mph you can travel 1 light year in 1 human year.
It takes 100,000 light years to just cross the milky way galaxy.
If a man lives 90 human years, it would take 1,111 human years to cross the milky way galaxy.

It is 2.5 million light years from our milky way galaxy to the next nearest galaxy to us, the Andromeda galaxy. it would take 27,777 human lives to get to the start of this galaxy.

All of this is from the reference frame of earth. The humans will experience far less time. In fact, if they travel at that close to c it might take them a few minutes on their own clock, not tens of thousands of generations.


Also you bewildered us all with this:


I'm not sure what you mean by finite?

Having an upper bound...?

 

[Peter1000]

to rely (mainly) on the knowledge is not right in the faith, first of all because the human knowledge as a main direction of faith is forbidden by God, as it is evident from what is written in Genesis 2:16-17, Genesis 3:6-7, 1 Corinthians 8:1-3 and other biblical passages, for (the kingdom of) God is love(1 John 4:7-21), another reason is that it cannot be guaranteed that every person will duly find the knowledge which would be necessary at the relevant time if the knowledge was the main direction of faith, also, the process of finding knowledge may be very hard and even (at least somewhat) impossible for people that turn out to be unprivileged (one way or another) in this regard, then, the way of knowledge might prevent the love from being shown, for example if we first had to amass great knowledge in order to be able to show love for our neighbor, then this would make us unable to show love until we have all that knowledge which would be necessary for the purpose - the more we immerse ourselves in the knowledge-intensive spirituality/religiosity, the more we may lose love



the atoms are units, the electron is an unit, the planets are units, the sun is an unit, the solar system is an unit, the stars are units, the galaxies are units, the biological cells are units, the bodily organs are units, the human mind is an unit, the human consciousness is an unit, the (be)souled beings are also units, there are also spirits of God that are units, etc.

forget about frustration, but it is more or less sad if christians show knowledge, but do not show right understanding



let's say i used the word "turn" in the sense of business i.e. some things are not our(human) business, but a secret plan of God

Blessings

If you are saying that knowledge destroys faith, you are right. Do you want to know of a surety like Thomas, or do you want to be like the people that believe without seeing. One does not seem to be any better or any worse. If I had my choice of sure knowledge or faith, I would choose sure knowledge.

However, choosing sure knowledge brings a responsibility that is much higher than faith. If you have pure knowledge and no right understanding and you do not keep the commandments of the God, who you saw, then you are under greater condemnation than if you were living by faith alone.

You are right having right understanding is more important that having pure knowledge.

 

[Peter1000]

I said you don't understand Relativity because of this:


You know that if you climb into a space ship that can travel
670,615,299 miles per hour it will take you 1,111 human years to cross the Milky Way galaxy.
If you travel 670,615,299 mph you can travel 1 light year in 1 human year.
It takes 100,000 light years to just cross the milky way galaxy.
If a man lives 90 human years, it would take 1,111 human years to cross the milky way galaxy.

It is 2.5 million light years from our milky way galaxy to the next nearest galaxy to us, the Andromeda galaxy. it would take 27,777 human lives to get to the start of this galaxy.

All of this is from the reference frame of earth. The humans will experience far less time. In fact, if they travel at that close to c it might take them a few minutes on their own clock, not tens of thousands of generations.


Also you bewildered us all with this:


I'm not sure what you mean by finite?

Having an upper bound...?

Nihilist Virus says:
All of this is from the reference frame of earth. The humans will experience far less time. In fact, if they travel at that close to c it might take them a few minutes on their own clock, not tens of thousands of generations.

Has relativity travel time been tested yet? Is it unfalsifiable? It sounds like good science, but if it is untestable, and unfalsifiable, what do we do with it?

 

[Nihilist Virus]

Nihilist Virus says:
All of this is from the reference frame of earth. The humans will experience far less time. In fact, if they travel at that close to c it might take them a few minutes on their own clock, not tens of thousands of generations.

Has relativity travel time been tested yet? Is it unfalsifiable? It sounds like good science, but if it is untestable, and unfalsifiable, what do we do with it?

It's not time travel. It's time dilation. And yes, it's been tested. There's this thing called an atomic clock. We tested Einstein's theory with such a device multiple times and the time dilation was exactly as his theory predicted.

And just as I predicted, you are unaware of what the theory says. I'm not even sure if you understand that v<c for all objects or if you think it's v<c.

 

[Peter1000]

It's not time travel. It's time dilation. And yes, it's been tested. There's this thing called an atomic clock. We tested Einstein's theory with such a device multiple times and the time dilation was exactly as his theory predicted.

And just as I predicted, you are unaware of what the theory says. I'm not even sure if you understand that v<c for all objects or if you think it's v<c.

If it's not time travel, why did you use these words:
"In fact, if they (humans) travel at that close to c it might take them a few minutes on their own clock, not tens of thousands of generations." (my parenthesis)

So we have tested time dilation? You say, "we tested Einsteins theory with such a device multiple times and the time dilation was exactly as his theory predicted."

Can you tell me more about the test? I would think something would have to travel at c in order to test the theory completely. Some clock or a human would have to travel at c and come back to earth and be x years younger than his wife who stayed on earth. So give me a short version of the test that proved Einsteins theory correct. Thanks.