Why does God leave no tracks?

[bhsmte]

No. The faith of the atheist came from the fall in the garden.

How about the faith of the many non Christian religions (2/3 of the worlds population), where does that come from?

 

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How about the faith of the many non Christian religions (2/3 of the worlds population), where does that come from?

Same place. The fall of Adam in the garden.

 

[bhsmte]

Same place. The fall of Adam in the garden.

How do you know?

 

[miknik5]

I suspect I asked this question before in a different form, because I wonder about it a lot. Sometimes I like to imagine a benevolent God that I can talk to and so forth. I tell myself that maybe the Judeo Christian God is fiction, but my more generic chameleon-like God might actually exist.

The problem is that science can never find God's tracks. I ask myself if there is some inherent aspect of God that makes it impossible for Him to leave tracks. I ask myself if God can actually do anything meaningful without leaving tracks. Then there is the imaginary friend possibility. Imaginary friends serve a purpose and leave tracks in the real world even though they exist only in a human's imagination. I suppose the imaginary friend God that exists in human imaginations leaves tracks. Is it possible that God is real, but He restricts Himself to our imaginations? In other words, there is a real God that inspires humans to create imaginary friend Gods in their minds that then interact with the world? Could science tell if there was a real God behind these imaginary friend Gods?

Do you even believe in a spiritual realm to begin with?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Pagan quest and a few responses, years ago. Without ending so far.

I suspect I asked this question before in a different form, because I wonder about it a lot. Sometimes I like to imagine a benevolent God that I can talk to and so forth. I tell myself that maybe the Judeo Christian God is fiction, but my more generic chameleon-like God might actually exist.

this is getting too far away from the bible and Christianity so I'm not interested in going into these speculative things

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QUOTE="AV1611VET, post: 69309392, member: 152669"]Why is that a problem?
Do you think God was kidding when He said ...
Colossians 1:15a Who is the image of the invisible God,
If scientists can't find angels with their instruments, how are they going to find God?
Hebrews 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.[/QUOTE
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QUOTE="AV1611VET, post: 69310011, member: 152669"]

Cloudy, are you so naive that you can't see that if God came back here and repeated His first-advent miracles and healed the sick, raised the dead, and walked on water, that He would be crucified by the academic elite (known as the "highminded" in the Bible) all over again?

If you disagree, then maybe you need to stick around here a little more and listen to those who say:

"If God is real, and I meet Him, He's going to have a lot of explaining to do."

When Jesus does come back and rules and reigns on the earth for 1000 years, read what's going to happen when those thousand years are up.

He's going to be attacked by every nation on the face of the earth.

You're either seriously misguided, or you're trying to act like some big shot with that God-can-show-us attitude.[/QUOTE

 

[BigV]

No, God is clear in scripture that there is only one real God and other gods are false gods. God certainly isn't going to be causing new false gods to be created in people's imaginations.

Well, the picture is not very clear. There is one God but he is not one person. And he has many children who are not God, but also share in the divine nature.

Also, Satan is called the god of this world. By the Bible. And Satan exists too, so the picture is even murkier.

 

[Resha Caner]

I ask myself if there is some inherent aspect of God that makes it impossible for Him to leave tracks.

Kinda, yeah. There is a sense in which a scientific search for a god is like looking for writing that was done with white ink on a white background.

 

[ChetSinger]

...The problem is that science can never find God's tracks. I ask myself if there is some inherent aspect of God that makes it impossible for Him to leave tracks. I ask myself if God can actually do anything meaningful without leaving tracks...

Our science is purposely limited to the creation and not the creator. Science doesn't look for God; it observes, hypothesizes, and experiments in the natural world alone.

Paul wrote that God's tracks can be seen in the creation itself:

For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. - Romans 1

As I understand this, Paul is claiming that deism should be concluded when honestly looking at the natural world. Not Christianity per se, but deism.

2,000 years later can that view be defended? I think so, and I believe one avenue is biochemistry and the complexity of cellular life. Years ago I studied abiogenesis and concluded there is no way, no how, that life arose without being engineered and built.

Have the known difficulties with abiogenesis caused scientists to determine that life originated from God, or was even engineered at all? No, they just say that they don't yet know how it happened. And that's the nature of science: if they don't know the answer they don't turn to God (usually, at least), they just keep looking.

But I'm reminded of Antony Flew, a prominent atheist who reportedly turned to deism in his old age. I heard that the reason for his change of opinion included a skepticism of abiogenesis.