WHY does GOD choose TO reside in SECRET?

[Vicomte13]

You and I perhaps see God in very different ways. I don't believe God is the author of evil and suffering, and I don't believe He sent Ebola as some kind of vengeance.

We do. I see God as the Creator of all life. Typhus bacteria, Ebola and AIDS are forms of life. God created us. He also created them.

I don't know that his REASON for creating them was vengeance, as such, but I do know that he created them. Can the devil create life? No. Does life arise randomly, without God? No.

Therefore, God created Ebola and HIV and typhus. He did so for His reasons. We don't know what His reasons are. We DO know that these things are really horrible for us.

 

[rjs330]

If God appeared as a bright light in a garden, walking alongside the Virgin Mary, and said "Listen to her", would you?

This is EXACTLY why this kind of question by the OP is foolish because they wouldn't believe even if he did. That's just how dark our hearts toward him are.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I don't believe God is the author of evil and suffering, and I don't believe He sent Ebola as some kind of vengeance.

Right,
it is one of many plagues on unbelievers and
the believers in line with "for lack of knowledge, MY people perish".
HE designed HIS people and everything else,
and HE has provided simple protection (not by man)
from all disease, in HIS sovereignty and HIS WISDOM and TRUTH.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

This is EXACTLY why this kind of question by the OP is foolish because they wouldn't believe even if he did. That's just how dark our hearts toward him are.

Not foolish at all when asked by someone seeking.
Everyone was once subject to the prince of darkness (the TRUTH was and is still "SECRET" HIDDEN from them) .
But if they are seeking the TRUTH,
this is exactly one way to ask, and to find it.

 

[Vicomte13]

This is EXACTLY why this kind of question by the OP is foolish because they wouldn't believe even if he did. That's just how dark our hearts toward him are.

Oh, you never know. Many people just want to know, want to see. Christianity and other religions demand a great deal of us. And there are a cacaphony of Christians who all say different things, and say them with vehemence and threat at each other.

I never would have believed men on this subject. When God grabbed me by the face and showed me things, that is precisely what it took for me to know that God is real. Now, what that means as a practical matter - what I DO with that knowledge - that took time to work out.

God does sometimes do that - reach out of the air. I know that much, and can say that much with authority. What one DOES with that? Well, that's personal to the individual.

 

[~Anastasia~]

We do. I see God as the Creator of all life. Typhus bacteria, Ebola and AIDS are forms of life. God created us. He also created them.

I don't know that his REASON for creating them was vengeance, as such, but I do know that he created them. Can the devil create life? No. Does life arise randomly, without God? No.

Therefore, God created Ebola and HIV and typhus. He did so for His reasons. We don't know what His reasons are. We DO know that these things are really horrible for us.

Perhaps not SO different.

God created everything good, according to His pronouncement in Genesis. Do you believe that He created Ebola, typhus, etc. as part of that perfect creation? (I'm going to guess you do not?)

With the sin of mankind came the curse upon the world. Many things were perverted from their natural, good state along with mankind.

We don't believe that God CREATED those evil perversions, nor did Satan need to be able to create them. Simply this world, all if creation, is fallen, and these are the consequences.

So we may agree more than I initially thought, at least. Or not - I'm not sure.

But our understanding of the world as being in a fallen state does not necessitate God actively creating such evil.

Thanks for the further input.

 

[~Anastasia~]

Right,
it is one of many plagues on unbelievers and
the believers in line with "for lack of knowledge, MY people perish".
HE designed HIS people and everything else,
and HE has provided simple protection (not by man)
from all disease, in HIS sovereignty and HIS WISDOM and TRUTH.

I would actually appreciate it if you did not quote my post in such a way that it appears to say the opposite of what I meant, whatever it is you intend to add.

I said that I do not believe that He sent Ebola as some kind of vengeance.

Thank you.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Perhaps not SO different.

God created everything good, according to His pronouncement in Genesis. Do you believe that He created Ebola, typhus, etc. as part of that perfect creation? (I'm going to guess you do not?)

With the sin of mankind came the curse upon the world. Many things were perverted from their natural, good state along with mankind.

We don't believe that God CREATED those evil perversions, nor did Satan need to be able to create them. Simply this world, all if creation, is fallen, and these are the consequences.

So we may agree more than I initially thought, at least. Or not - I'm not sure.

But our understanding of the world as being in a fallen state does not necessitate God actively creating such evil.

Thanks for the further input.

Disease is of or because of the curse, right, just as it is written.
Part of the curse is believing in man, or trusting the flesh -
YHWH still curses those who trust in man or the flesh.

Those who learn the TRUTH from YHWH, find freedom from the curse (but they do NOT have to accept it - they can still remain 'cursed' or whatever IF THEY WANT TO! - free will is never overridden by YHWH, though it often is by the enemy of YHWH).

To those who are redeemed, there is no secret YHWH withholds - HE says thru Y'SHUA HE will teach the TRUTH about ALL THINGS to those who trust in HIM and rely on HIM .
This is very simply for children (of any age) seeking HIM,
as Y'SHUA PRAISED THE FATHER FOR , that HE reveals the TRUTH about SALVATION (HEALING) to babes !!!!!!! REJOICE !

For instance, in clinics all over the world that have used vitamin c for a century, they have no problems with ebola or with zyka or with other viruses
like is manufactured in the united states (the scare tactics are what is manufactured, and sometimes the virus too !!!)

Likewise many epidemics.... (for example, all across the country of INDIA many official medical clinics by licensed doctors
have no problem with type II diabetes. Do an internet search for the cure for diabetes in India to see how common it is there.)
(and forbidden here, by the money makers).

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I would actually appreciate it if you did not quote my post in such a way that it appears to say the opposite of what I meant, whatever it is you intend to add.

I said that I do not believe that He sent Ebola as some kind of vengeance.

Thank you.

I totally agree with your first and this post - ebola is not some kind of vengeance from YHWH.
Just like in Corinthians, when HIS people do what is wrong, they suffer and some die.
HIS WORD reveals this and provides SALVATION from the suffering and the dying when HIS people learn it and turn to HIM to be healed.
THAT suffering and dying is as HE SAID, "MY people perish for lack of knowledge",
not vengeance.

 

[~Anastasia~]

Disease is of or because of the curse, right, just as it is written.
Part of the curse is believing in man, or trusting the flesh -
YHWH still curses those who trust in man or the flesh.

Those who learn the TRUTH from YHWH, find freedom from the curse (but they do NOT have to accept it - they can still remain 'cursed' or whatever IF THEY WANT TO! - free will is never overridden by YHWH, though it often is by the enemy of YHWH).

To those who are redeemed, there is no secret YHWH withholds - HE says thru Y'SHUA HE will teach the TRUTH about ALL THINGS to those who trust in HIM and rely on HIM .
This is very simply for children (of any age) seeking HIM,
as Y'SHUA PRAISED THE FATHER FOR , that HE reveals the TRUTH about SALVATION (HEALING) to babes !!!!!!! REJOICE !

For instance, in clinics all over the world that have used vitamin c for a century, they have no problems with ebola or with zyka or with other viruses
like is manufactured in the united states (the scare tactics are what is manufactured, and sometimes the virus too !!!)

Likewise many epidemics.... (for example, all across the country of INDIA many official medical clinics by licensed doctors
have no problem with type II diabetes. Do an internet search for the cure for diabetes in India to see how common it is there.)
(and forbidden here, by the money makers).

Thanks, and as you may remember I have a background in natural health (and you may not know a background in sciences as well) ... but really, we've done this before and such discussion will just go into many posts, derailing the thread. So I must decline to participate.

 

[~Anastasia~]

I totally agree with your first and this post - ebola is not some kind of vengeance from YHWH.

Yes, but you quoted my post as saying:

~Anastasia~ said: ↑
He sent Ebola as some kind of vengeance.

And that is what I was asking you not do. It is essentially a misquote by removing the "I don't believe" part. Thank you.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I think this is very very pertinent to the TITLE of the thread.
Why does God do things in secret ?

It might better or otherwise be asked, why does HE reveal to some people the TRUTH, and not to others,
since
YHWH does nothing in secret.

All through TORAH YHWH explains clearly why HE sends disease on the other nations next to ISRAEL,
and why HE PROTECTS ISRAEL from those diseases.

Then in the NEW TESTAMENT THROUGH Y'SHUA MESSIAH,
YHWH continues showing the way to both SALVATION and HEALING
clearly and distinctly (i.e. not hidden; not at all in secret!)
to those people who look to HIM, who are
SAVED according to HIS PURPOSE and GRACE in Y'SHUA!
It remains hidden to those who do not look to YHWH.

"Why does god choose to reside in secret." (THE OP TITLE)
thus is directly answered.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Yes, but you quoted my post as saying:

~Anastasia~ said: ↑
He sent Ebola as some kind of vengeance.

And that is what I was asking you not do. It is essentially a misquote by removing the "I don't believe" part. Thank you.

It was unintentional, sorry. (as my post and the following posts clearly shows the problem with ebola was from ignorance, not vengeance, and maybe a judgment for not looking to YHWH.)
I fixed it.

 

[Radrook]

Of course I don't deny the Incarnation. The OP is asking why God doesn't show up with some cosmic show, proving to unbelievers in this age that He exists. And ... He has chosen not to do it that way.

The world is fallen, and full of hardship, trials, decay, destruction - all as the result of sin.

You and I perhaps see God in very different ways. I don't believe God is the author of evil and suffering, and I don't believe He sent Ebola as some kind of vengeance.

Reminds me more of Zeus, only worse.

I don't see how my question implies that he is the author of evil. My question merely asks why he doesn't reveal himself to those unbelievers in his existence in such a manner as to put all their atheistic doubts to rest.

I see such a supernatural, unquestionable, revelation of himself to atheists as providing a helping hand to those who are presently incapable of believing due to some circumstance beyond their control such an intense atheistic socialization process to which they have been subjected since infancy.

The existence of evil on Earth is another altogether different subject unless a cause effect connection can be logically demonstrated. Indeed, if one is perceived it isn't because I am purposefully suggesting it.

 

[Radrook]

I think this is very very pertinent to the TITLE of the thread.
Why does God do things in secret ?

It might better or otherwise be asked, why does HE reveal to some people the TRUTH, and not to others,
since
YHWH does nothing in secret.

All through TORAH YHWH explains clearly why HE sends disease on the other nations next to ISRAEL,
and why HE PROTECTS ISRAEL from those diseases.

Then in the NEW TESTAMENT THROUGH Y'SHUA MESSIAH,
YHWH continues showing the way to both SALVATION and HEALING
clearly and distinctly (i.e. not hidden; not at all in secret!)
to those people who look to HIM, who are
SAVED according to HIS PURPOSE and GRACE in Y'SHUA!
It remains hidden to those who do not look to YHWH.

"Why does god choose to reside in secret." (THE OP TITLE)
thus is directly answered.

Yes, I am familiar with the concept that not everyone deserves to by illuminated because essentially their hearts are corrupt. It is actually a question of whether the person deserves to be enlightened in the sense of being provided with accurate knowledge. If God examines the heart and finds that it isn't amenable to truth, then there is absolutely no reason to provide that truth since he knows it will be rejected and perhaps used for the purpose of inflicting harm on others via twisting of its meaning. It is expressed in the scripture concerning offering pearls to pigs and the result is that they turn on you and rip you open.

Matthew 7:6 ►
New International Version
"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

Matthew 11:25 ►

New International Version
At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.


So perhaps his choosing to remain in secret has a lot to do with the condition of the heart of those to whom he will not reveal himself in the manner I describe. They have chosen to give unqualified credence to demonic ideas and he scrutinizes their hearts and perceives that they will continue despite any revelation he might provide them with.

James 3:15
Such wisdom does not come from above, but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic




Thanks everyone for the feedback. It helps in understanding.

 

[RDKirk]

I often wonder if those that ask these questions really want an answer. My question for them would be:

If God appeared as a bright light in the sky and said "I am the God of the Bible" would you then realize you are a sinner and ask God for forgiveness and ask Jesus into your life and strive to live for him for the rest of your life?"

How many of those intellectuals would do that or would they come up,with other excuses why that wasn't really God.

I have asked that question of their question before: "Is that the only question that keeps you from believing? If I give you the answer to that question, will you become a believer?"

If not, then I have to ask why I should waste the time? My mission is not to engage in debates for the entertainment of nonbelievers, but to bear witness of the Lord to those enabled to believe.

 

[~Anastasia~]

It was unintentional, sorry. (as my post and the following posts clearly shows the problem with ebola was from ignorance, not vengeance, and maybe a judgment for not looking to YHWH.)
I fixed it.

Thank you!

 

[~Anastasia~]

I don't see how my question implies that he is the author of evil. My question merely asks why he doesn't reveal himself to those unbelievers in his existence in such a manner as to put all their atheistic doubts to rest.

I see such a supernatural, unquestionable, revelation of himself to atheists as providing a helping hand to those who are presently incapable of believing due to some circumstance beyond their control such an intense atheistic socialization process to which they have been subjected since infancy.

The existence of evil on Earth is another altogether different subject unless a cause effect connection can be logically demonstrated. Indeed, if one is perceived it isn't because I am purposefully suggesting it.

If you follow the quotes up, I was replying to someone else - I didn't mean that your question implied that God was the author of evil. Some miscommunication - please accept my apologies.

 

[Radrook]

If you follow the quotes up, I was replying to someone else - I didn't mean that your question implied that God was the author of evil. Some miscommunication - please accept my apologies.

Yes I realized that after I wrote it and modified my response accordingly. I am the one who owes you an apology for my sloppy haste. God Bless!

 

[~Anastasia~]

Yes I realized that after I wrote it and modified my response accordingly. I am the one who owes you an apology for my sloppy haste. God Bless!

No apology necessary. I just didn't want you to misunderstand my intent.

God bless you also!