WHY does GOD choose TO reside in SECRET?

[Colter]

Although Jesus is "God as discernible by physical senses." So the resurrected Jesus could just live on earth making rounds of all the nations, campaigning for God.

But He doesn't.

Indeed Jesus was a visible representative of the unseen Father, but not the Father absolute. And the nation he was born into rejected his gospel message. We are supposed to be living in faith by design.

 

[ToBeLoved]

I am not the one who describes him as being in secret. The Bible does:

Matt 6:5
So that your giving may be in secret. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 5And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. Truly I tell you, they already have their reward. 6But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.…
Berean

So why all the secrecy?

BTW

I am aware of the different modes that were used to transmit the knowledge we now have.
What I am talking about is a direct manifestation. Why this hiding behind what seems like a deep silence?

What this verse is talking about is the Pharisee's in Jesus day. These Pharisee's would pray openly in public to 'appear' more spiritual, seeking the approval of men for praying more than the approval of the God they are/were praying to.

What God says is do not pray to be seen by men (others) and do not do things in public to appear more spiritual. Pray to God where it is only Him and you, where no one else knows that you are doing it and there is nothing to be seen by men/people.

That those who seek to be seen as better for going to church, or praying or anything else have the wrong motivation in doing it. If someone gets any accolades from the world or other people, than the approval they sought from the world/other people is there reward. They have gotten it. There accolades and being seen as good in someone's eyes.

But those who don't seek to wear their faith on their sleeve for men, but pray in private that only that person and God knows, God will be the rewarder of that person.

Does that make sense?

 

[JacksBratt]

I am not the one who describes him as being in secret. The Bible does:

Matt 6:5
So that your giving may be in secret. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 5And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. Truly I tell you, they already have their reward. 6But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.…
Berean

So why all the secrecy?

This is not God being "in secret" this is telling us not to be proud and arrogant about our giving and praying. He wants humbleness from us.

 

[-57]

Why not simply show himself to humans? Why all the mystery? If communication is indeed what is needed, why not communicate in a more direct way instead of in a way that can be doubted?

Psalms 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.

Romans 1:19 For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse.

God appears to be very open.

 

[-57]

I am not the one who describes him as being in secret. The Bible does:

Matt 6:5
So that your giving may be in secret. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 5And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. Truly I tell you, they already have their reward. 6But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.…
Berean

So why all the secrecy?

BTW

I am aware of the different modes that were used to transmit the knowledge we now have.
What I am talking about is a direct manifestation. Why this hiding behind what seems like a deep silence?

It should be pretty obvious...God doesn't want you to be "showing off" with your prayers.

 

[Radrook]

Psalms 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.

Romans 1:19 For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse.

God appears to be very open.

But since that isn't enough, and mockery abounds, why not a simple brief manifestation to set things in order?

 

[Radrook]

It should be pretty obvious...God doesn't want you to be "showing off" with your prayers.

Showing off via public prayer is coincidental to the issue of his being in secret. In fact, it is totally off topic.

 

[RDKirk]

But since that isn't enough, and mockery abounds, why not a simple brief manifestation to set things in order?

See post #61

 

[-57]

But since that isn't enough, and mockery abounds, why not a simple brief manifestation to set things in order?

The verses I presented in post 64 is pretty clear God is not a secret

But it should also be understood that unless God allows you to come to Christ you can't

John 6:65 And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

 

[-57]

Showing off via public prayer is coincidental to the issue of his being in secret. In fact, it is totally off topic.

You quoted the verse....in post 6. So why is it off topic?

 

[-57]

But since that isn't enough, and mockery abounds, why not a simple brief manifestation to set things in order?

He did. It's called the incarnation. You can read all about it in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

 

[Radrook]

He did. It's called the incarnation. You can read all about it in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

As I previously said. I mean today when atheism abounds and in a manner that leaves no room for doubts..

 

[Radrook]

You quoted the verse....in post 6. So why is it off topic?

Because the verse is only relevant in its saying that God listens in secret. The rest of it referring to not showing-off in public via prayer in order to gain the accolades of men is irrelevant to God's being in secret which is the point why I quoted it.

 

[Radrook]

The verses I presented in post 64 is pretty clear God is not a secret

But it should also be understood that unless God allows you to come to Christ you can't

John 6:65 And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

Nature indeed provides enough for us to see clearly that there indeed is a creator. However, there are many persons who still argue that these things can be explained away naturally as a consequence of blind forces working together during unimaginably long periods of time. What harm could it possibly do to shut their smug claptraps via a brief unmistakable demonstration after which he could again go back into his ominous silence?

 

[-57]

As I previously said. I mean today when atheism abounds and in a manner that leaves no room for doubts..

Romans 1:18 and the following verses explain.

 

[-57]

Nature indeed provides enough for us to see clearly that there indeed is a creator. However, there are many persons who still argue that these things can be explained away naturally as a consequence of blind forces working together during unimaginably long periods of time. What harm could it possibly do to shut their smug claptraps via a brief unmistakable demonstration after which he could again go back into his ominous silence?

When Jesus taught for 3 1/2 years there were many who didn't believe Him. I don't think it would make much of a difference today.

27‘Then I beg you, father,’ he said, ‘send Lazarus to my father’s house, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them so they will not also end up in this place of torment.’ 29 But Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let your brothers listen to them.’ 30 ‘No, fatherAbraham, he said, ‘but if someone is sent to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 Then Abraham said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.’”

I just saw you added a video....here's my take on that.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

When Jesus taught for .... years there were many who didn't believe Him. I don't think it would make much of a difference today.

HE is still teaching and training HIS SHEEP TODAY. HE never abandoned HIS SHEEP. (HIS SHEEP KNOW HIS VOICE, as HE SAYS)
Though >
Like came up today on another thread also:

That men chose to interpret the Bible through 'darkness' rather than 'light'.......When we consider history, things have NEVER gotten 'better'. They have always gotten WORSE.

 

[Thursday]

Why not simply show himself to humans? Why all the mystery? If communication is indeed what is needed, why not communicate in a more direct way instead of in a way that can be doubted?

I think it has to do with free will.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

It should be pretty obvious...... .. ....

But since that isn't enough, and mockery abounds, why not a simple brief manifestation to set things in order?

HE set things, everything , in order as HE PLEASES. PERFECTLY.

Showing off via public prayer is coincidental to the issue of his being in secret. In fact, it is totally off topic.

It is CRUCIAL.
Since without [in private]prayer, nothing.

But it should also be understood that unless God allows you to come to Christ you can't
John 6:65 And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

Amein. Without [in private] prayer, again, nothing. (no life, none at all)

As I previously said. I mean today when atheism abounds and in a manner that leaves no room for doubts..

HIS SHEEP have no doubt nor fear. Only PEACE, JOYOUSNESS(in all things and, yes, even when being put to death, imprisoned, beaten, tortured, etc) and RIGHTEOUSNESS all gifts in Y'SHUA with Y'SHUA, abiding in HIM.

HE is still teaching and training HIS SHEEP TODAY. HE never abandoned HIS SHEEP. (HIS SHEEP KNOW HIS VOICE, as HE SAYS)

 

[JacksBratt]

But since that isn't enough, and mockery abounds, why not a simple brief manifestation to set things in order?

Who is this "not enough" for? It states that none are without excuse. God has given every human enough proof of His existence to sufficiently judge them on whether they believed or did not, when it is there time to be judged.