Why does God allow evil to exist on Earth?

[loudatheist101]

They ask you to hasten the punishment. If it were not for a stipulated term, the punishment would have come to them already. It will come upon them suddenly, when they are not expecting it. They ask you to hasten the punishment, but Hell already encircles the unbelievers. On the Day that the punishment envelops them from above and from underneath their feet, He will say: "Taste what you were doing!" (Surat al-'Ankabut, 53-55)

Why would it worry you that children are dieing unjustly, do you not know that Paradise is awaiting them?

Umm, that is quite embarrissing to say. Seriously. Thats when I have a BIG problem with religion. "Why do you care if infants and innocent people are violently killed? They're going to Heaven or Paradise". Umm, no they're not. When they're brain cells are dead, it's over. No "soul" rises to Heaven or Pradise, nothing.

Anyway back on topic; God or Allah, is like a policeman who tells the town not to murder. Then, 2 people turn into serial killers. The policeman just sits there and watches and just wonders why we're so stupid and all he does is think to himself; "I told them not to murder, even though I allowed them to be imperfect and to murder, I told them not to. So its their fualt and I'll watch them shoot babies up into the sky as target practice".

 

[Lisa0315]

Exactly. He grants us all respite in hope that some or most of us will repent.

Well, this is a happy first! I don't think that I have ever had the opportunity to agree with a Muslim or vise versa. God bless!

Lisa

 

[Red530]

Umm, he can make it an instinct? No one teaches you how to breathe in air right? God can do the same with learning right from wrong.

If he does not destroy evil and the will to sin, why does he damn so many of his children. It's like a policeman watching people murder each other and the policeman doesn't do one thing to stop it. All he does is say "Well, they aren't suppost to be doing this so, I'll let it happen and burn them all forever when they're done".

My belief is that he does not damn anyone, therefore for me believing that there is no such thing as a literal Satan, but that there is an evil.

We learn to breath by ourselves, but our parents tell us that it is unhealthy to hold your breathe.

 

[loudatheist101]

My belief is that he does not damn anyone, therefore for me believing that there is no such thing as a literal Satan, but that there is an evil.

We learn to breath by ourselves, but our parents tell us that it is unhealthy to hold your breathe.

No our parents do not. If you hold your breath, your body will have an *instinct* to breathe. Try it right now.

 

[Red530]

That also supports my idea.

God gives us free will. We do wrong, and we suffer a consequence and therefore know that we shouldn't do it again.

I hold my breath, and I start to feel a soaring pain, knowing that it is a stupid and idiotic idea to hold my breath for a long while.

 

[loudatheist101]

That also supports my idea.

God gives us free will. We do wrong, and we suffer a consequence and therefore know that we shouldn't do it again.

I hold my breath, and I start to feel a soaring pain, knowing that it is a stupid and idiotic idea to hold my breath for a long while.

How does that proove the Christain God exists?

 

[elman]

obviously God allows evil to exist on the earth because he is evil.

Obviiously God allows evil to exist on earth because He is loving and wants His creaton to be able to be loving.

 

[Upisoft]

Obviiously God allows evil to exist on earth because He is loving and wants His creaton to be able to be loving.

Why love would require evil?

 

[loudatheist101]

Obviiously God allows evil to exist on earth because He is loving and wants His creaton to be able to be loving.

Would love require suffering and innocent babies getting shot everyday in some places?

 

[elman]

Why love would require evil?

Because love requires the ability to be unloving. If you don't have that ability you do not chose to love, it is simply your program and a program is not love.

 

[elman]

Would love require suffering and innocent babies getting shot everyday in some places?

Yes it is necessary to be able to be unloving for our choice to be loving to have any value or to in fact be loving. God does not require that we do evil, but it is necessary that we be able to do evil. God is not shooting the babies. Men are doing that, men who have the ability to be loving instead.

 

[quatona]

Because love requires the ability to be unloving. If you don't have that ability you do not chose to love, it is simply your program and a program is not love.

Let´s assume for the sake of the argument your assertion that a program cannot be love. Now, with such an evil-less program there wouldn´t be any need for this love, in the first place. Without the problem there is no need for the fix. Saying "we need a problem so that the solution for this problem can be applied" does not really convince me.

 

[loudatheist101]

Yes it is necessary to be able to be unloving for our choice to be loving to have any value or to in fact be loving. God does not require that we do evil, but it is necessary that we be able to do evil. God is not shooting the babies. Men are doing that, men who have the ability to be loving instead.

What does allowing people to do evil accomplish? I think it is crap when at first people say how loving God is and how he is always "looking out for us" yet, he allows so much evil. So much unessesary evil to happen. He must not be looking out for us or care much about us. He'd let you go out and shoot babies right now if you wanted to. If you were the victim, don't bother praying to God! He'll let any kind of evil get you.

 

[Red530]

How does that proove the Christain God exists?

We're not talking about his existence, we're talking about his permit of evil. Grow up.

 

[Lisa0315]

What does allowing people to do evil accomplish? I think it is crap when at first people say how loving God is and how he is always "looking out for us" yet, he allows so much evil. So much unessesary evil to happen. He must not be looking out for us or care much about us. He'd let you go out and shoot babies right now if you wanted to. If you were the victim, don't bother praying to God! He'll let any kind of evil get you.

Please do not lose hope. I know you do not believe in God, but I also know that if you did, you would want that God to be good.

Let me try to explain why God allows suffering, death, and evil to continue. I have already posted this once in this thread, but I believe it is important to say so again.

God could cleanse the world of suffering, death and evil in a moment. In order to do this, He would have to bring order to the chaos. To bring order, He would have to judge the nations. He would separate the good from the evil, and the problem there is that there would not be found anyone who was good. The only way that we can appear "good" in the eyes of God is if we have repented of our sins and allowed the act of one man, Christ Jesus, to pay the debt of our sin. As sin came into the world through one man, so salvation came into the world through one man.

So, God in His infinite mercy and love delays His judgement so that more may believe on His Son. God is declaring peace to His enemies, those who have forsaken Him, those who have never repented, and those who willfully do not believe. He stands at the gate and asks for entrance. If we allow God into our life, then, we become sons and daughters of God, and become co-heirs to the Kingdom of God with Christ. If not, then, we stand in the judgement. Either at death, or when the day of the Lord comes and creation is set right again.

God could at any moment set the world right, but when judgement comes, mercy ends. There will be no more chances for salvation. There will be no more suffering, no more evil, and no more death. So, for now, God delays His judgement even though it means the evil and suffering and death continues. He delays so that more may be saved.

I beg you to not delay any longer. There is hope and peace and love in the arms of Jesus. There is none other like Him and it is a decision that one will never regret making. Give your heart over to God. Trust in Him while there is still time.

Lisa

 

[Raul7]

What does allowing people to do evil accomplish? I think it is crap when at first people say how loving God is and how he is always "looking out for us" yet, he allows so much evil. So much unessesary evil to happen. He must not be looking out for us or care much about us. He'd let you go out and shoot babies right now if you wanted to. If you were the victim, don't bother praying to God! He'll let any kind of evil get you.

These are called trials, God uses them to test his servants to see whether they are loyal or not. Not only that but such miseries are expiation for our sins and if we are patient they raise us into the higher ranks of Paradise.

“Be sure we shall test you with fear and hunger, someloss in goods or lives or the fruits (of your toil), but give glad tidings to those who patiently persevere.” (Surat al-Baqara, 2:155)

There's a Hadith that says when God loves someone, he afflicts that person with trials.

 

[loudatheist101]

Please do not lose hope. I know you do not believe in God, but I also know that if you did, you would want that God to be good.

Let me try to explain why God allows suffering, death, and evil to continue. I have already posted this once in this thread, but I believe it is important to say so again.

God could cleanse the world of suffering, death and evil in a moment. In order to do this, He would have to bring order to the chaos. To bring order, He would have to judge the nations. He would separate the good from the evil, and the problem there is that there would not be found anyone who was good. The only way that we can appear "good" in the eyes of God is if we have repented of our sins and allowed the act of one man, Christ Jesus, to pay the debt of our sin. As sin came into the world through one man, so salvation came into the world through one man.

So, God in His infinite mercy and love delays His judgement so that more may believe on His Son. God is declaring peace to His enemies, those who have forsaken Him, those who have never repented, and those who willfully do not believe. He stands at the gate and asks for entrance. If we allow God into our life, then, we become sons and daughters of God, and become co-heirs to the Kingdom of God with Christ. If not, then, we stand in the judgement. Either at death, or when the day of the Lord comes and creation is set right again.

God could at any moment set the world right, but when judgement comes, mercy ends. There will be no more chances for salvation. There will be no more suffering, no more evil, and no more death. So, for now, God delays His judgement even though it means the evil and suffering and death continues. He delays so that more may be saved.

I beg you to not delay any longer. There is hope and peace and love in the arms of Jesus. There is none other like Him and it is a decision that one will never regret making. Give your heart over to God. Trust in Him while there is still time.

Lisa

Ok, God has the power of the Universe. Nothing is more powerful then him you all say. Why does he need to take all those steps to get rid of the evil he created?

 

[elman]

Let´s assume for the sake of the argument your assertion that a program cannot be love. Now, with such an evil-less program there wouldn´t be any need for this love, in the first place. Without the problem there is no need for the fix. Saying "we need a problem so that the solution for this problem can be applied" does not really convince me.

Love is not just a solution to a problem. It is the way to be happy and fulfiled. Yes I think God could have created us all robots and everything without problems, but we would not be able to experience the closeness and happiness we can now enjoy with each other.

 

[Lisa0315]

Ok, God has the power of the Universe. Nothing is more powerful then him you all say. Why does he need to take all those steps to get rid of the evil he created?

Several reasons: Suffering teaches compassion. Evil teaches us to appreciate good.

BTW, God did not create evil so much as He created beings with the freewill, i.e. capacity for evil. Without that capacity, the angels and we would be nothing but robots.

Lisa

 

[Upisoft]

Several reasons: Suffering teaches compassion.

What will be the use of compassion if there is no suffering?