Why does God allow evil to exist on Earth?

[Lisa0315]

What will be the use of compassion if there is no suffering?

That's what I said.

Lisa

 

[elman]

=loudatheist101;32682735]What does allowing people to do evil accomplish?

A world in which beings exist with the abillity to be loving.

 

[Upisoft]

What will be the use of compassion if there is no suffering?

That's what I said.

Lisa

You find compassion useful, because there is suffering.

I think there is no need of suffering. And if there is no suffering, then compassion will be useless.

Simplifying it to a one short sentence:

You: Suffering, but compassion
Me: No suffering, no compassion

 

[quatona]

Love is not just a solution to a problem. It is the way to be happy and fulfiled. Yes I think God could have created us all robots and everything without problems, but we would not be able to experience the closeness and happiness we can now enjoy with each other.

Sure we could.

 

[elman]

Sure we could.

How close can your car feel to you and how much can your car love you?

 

[quatona]

How close can your car feel to you and how much can your car love you?

Sheesh. I don´t know, but I work from the assumption that my car doesn´t have feelings and emotions - but what´s that got to do with anything?
I am not talking about cars, but about animate beings that are hardwired to feel happy and to perform that which you call "loving actions".

 

[Lisa0315]

You find compassion useful, because there is suffering.

I think there is no need of suffering. And if there is no suffering, then compassion will be useless.

Simplifying it to a one short sentence:

You: Suffering, but compassion
Me: No suffering, no compassion

Well, in THIS world, that is how it works. There can be no good without evil, no compassion without suffering, no life without death.

In the NEXT world, it will be possible to have no suffering, evil, or death, and yet, compassion, love, and perfect peace will be.

 

[quatona]

Well, in THIS world, that is how it works. There can be no good without evil, no compassion without suffering, no life without death.

In the NEXT world, it will be possible to have no suffering, evil, or death, and yet, compassion, love, and perfect peace will be.

Then I see no point in creating THIS world.

 

[Lisa0315]

Then I see no point in creating THIS world.

The point will be made known eventually. I trust God has His reasons. That is likely the real difference between believers and those who do not believe. No trust.

Lisa

 

[quatona]

The point will be made known eventually. I trust God has His reasons. That is likely the real difference between believers and those who do not believe. No trust.

I trust in a lot of things.
Lack of belief in the existence of something and lack of trust in this something (once you believe it exists) are two different things.

 

[Raul7]

Angels are "robots." They have no free will and only follow the command of God. Hence why God prefers a righteous human over an Angel.

Once the Prophet (peace be upon him) asked Angel Gabriel why he didn't descend upon him more often and Angel Gabrield replied with this verse-

And we do not descend but by the command of your Lord; to Him belongs whatever is before us and whatever is behind us and whatever is between these, and your Lord is not forgetful. (Qur'an 19:64)

Hence they have no free will.

 

[Lisa0315]

Angels are "robots." They have no free will and only follow the command of God. Hence why God prefers a righteous human over an Angel.

Once the Prophet (peace be upon him) asked Angel Gabriel why he didn't descend upon him more often and Angel Gabrield replied with this verse-

And we do not descend but by the command of your Lord; to Him belongs whatever is before us and whatever is behind us and whatever is between these, and your Lord is not forgetful. (Qur'an 19:64)

Hence they have no free will.

Angels have freewill. Satan fell because he was able to sin. That is freewill. He chose to rebel against God. A robot cannot do this.

Lisa

 

[quatona]

Angels have freewill. Satan fell because he was able to sin. That is freewill. He chose to rebel against God. A robot cannot do this.

Out of curiosity: Does the bible state that he chose to do so? Afaik it merely states that he did rebel.

Btw., although it seems to be commonly used, I don´t share the idea that everything that is not a robot has "freewill".

 

[loudatheist101]

Angels have freewill. Satan fell because he was able to sin. That is freewill. He chose to rebel against God. A robot cannot do this.

Lisa

I would believe in the Christain god or any god if they actually gave us evidence of themselves instead of mindless gospels and radical believers preaching at us to "believe or burn".

 

[elman]

Sheesh. I don´t know, but I work from the assumption that my car doesn´t have feelings and emotions - but what´s that got to do with anything?
I am not talking about cars, but about animate beings that are hardwired to feel happy and to perform that which you call "loving actions".

Then they would be acting out their programing, not being loving. A robot acting out what I call loving actions would not be doing it because of feeling and emotions, but because of programing. It would therefore not be loving actions, except maybe on the part of the programer.

 

[loudatheist101]

Then they would be acting out their programing, not being loving. A robot acting out what I call loving actions would not be doing it because of feeling and emotions, but because of programing. It would therefore not be loving actions, except maybe on the part of the programer.

Well, I'd rather have no "free will" in this very short life, as supposed to a life in hell forever.

 

[elman]

Well, I'd rather have no "free will" in this very short life, as supposed to a life in hell forever.

There is no hell forever, that is a man made idea, not from God. And as to having free will, it is like being born, you don't have a choice.

 

[Upisoft]

Well, in THIS world, that is how it works. There can be no good without evil, no compassion without suffering, no life without death.

In the NEXT world, it will be possible to have no suffering, evil, or death, and yet, compassion, love, and perfect peace will be.

If THIS world is what it is, then what makes you think that NEXT world will be any different? If NEXT world exists, it will exists because the same reason, God. If God can create NEXT world, such as you describe it, then how did God fail to do so with THIS world?

 

[loudatheist101]

If THIS world is what it is, then what makes you think that NEXT world will be any different? If NEXT world exists, it will exists because the same reason, God. If God can create NEXT world, such as you describe it, then how did God fail to do so with THIS world?

They will just say that we humans failed this world, even though He created us and shouldn't of let us fail His Earth

 

[elman]

They will just say that we humans failed this world, even though He created us and shouldn't of let us fail His Earth

Yeah when we are unloving to others, it is God's fault. He should not have let us do that. Lets all blame God together.