ExistencePrecedesEssence
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Atheists have conflicting viewpoints, existential atheism is outcast due to its odd viewpoint.
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Why does God allow evil to exist on Earth?
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No Christians don't always say God will not save us from evil because Adam sinned(It would be much longer than 2000 years ago) Some Christians say God will not save us from all evil by doing away with evil because if He did that we would be all be done away with, because we all fall short of being the loving beings God created us to be.
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ExistencePrecedesEssence
Fools seem to ruin even the worst of things!
The existence of god is contingent, this stated gods existence is an existent as an idea of the person the idea is contingent upon. I have knowledge the idea of god exists...whether i wish to pursue the existence of that idea or not thus instates the differential between believers, agnostics, and atheists. I must agree with you...the idea of god exists souly because we concieve it to exist. The word itself creates an idea and that idea is existent as an highly individualised persona....when i think of the word god i think of something totally different then that of another. I have knowledge of the existence of god souly as an idea...which degenerates it from an actual objective existent to a totally subjective view upon it. My denial of the purpose to the idea of god creates my atheism. I find it embaressing(spelling?, i still cant believe i know how to correctly spell it >.>) that this idea of god is nothing more then an idea created in my thoughts and i strive for its existence...but find its existence totally irrelevent to my own.
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But perhaps we exist and are not just dreams and perhaps God exists and is not just an idea of humanbeings, right?
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very_irreverand_Bill
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I'm going to take a risk here, because I want to contribute to this thread, but I do not wish to repeat myself or waste time re-writing a similar answer, I have cut and pasted my argument from the "problem of evil' thread, because I believe it is pertinant and important to note:
God Is Evil!
That shocking statement made.
I am Deistic{leaning PanDeistic/PanenDeistic}= hence, though the term/human word "God' itself means little t me, the core idea conveyed behind it{intelligent creator} is something I believe in, so I will say this for conventions sake- I believe in "God".
The problem here is first off, the god of the bible, the quran, the tankah, of theist faiths, is PURELY "MYTH".
Now to Natures God;
God is both good and evil.
If God is the source of ALL things, and NOTHING would exist without having first existed within God itself and having beeinbrought into the manifest universe that we observe and live in and are part of; than it follows logically that the idea that God is good and only thus- is absurd! It follows that, God created AL things, all energy, thought, matter,essense,etc; this means that ALL things we "percieve" of as "good", and all things we "percieve" of as "evil"- whether form INDIVIDUAL perspectives, or socilized into us by our cultures, or by natural law, or by our ability as a species as a whole to be able to reason out rational,fair, and practica ethics, as a collective; all these things we "percieve' of as good or evil, are ALL from this same source- GOD!
God is both good and evil.
To be more precise-"God" is BEYOND "good" and "evil", "good and evil beeing human contructs{or the contructs of living organism sentient life forms in the Cosmos}.
Love/hate, justice/injustice, good/evil, harm/help, beauty/ugliness, joy/despair, peace/war, all our dualities- God is a balance of all{kinda like the Tao, or the yin/yang concept}.
God is non-personal, God is not human like nor human-centered, so God cannot be rationally blamed nor praised, God is too vast and ineffable and UNKNOWN{accept that we can postulate that there is a good chance this intelligent thing exists by the ordered chaos, the limited set of natural laws that we are aware exist, the diverse and comple but ordered universe}.
God, at best, can be seen with a certain awe or reverance{by this I do not mean the common ideals of "worship", but rather much the same way we awe or reverance nature and the vast comsos}.
The problem of evil is a false argument. so is the argument of "good". Both are human contstructs and perspectives, as a social species there is good REASON that can be supported scientirically and philosophically to follow certain practical ethics, it's part of naural law and beeing of the human species; but there is NO UNIVERSAL "GOOD" OR "EVIL". All comes from this source{or "God' if ye will}----
---God is BEYOND "GOOD" AND "EVIL".
In Reason:
Irrev.Bill
God Is Evil!
That shocking statement made.
I am Deistic{leaning PanDeistic/PanenDeistic}= hence, though the term/human word "God' itself means little t me, the core idea conveyed behind it{intelligent creator} is something I believe in, so I will say this for conventions sake- I believe in "God".
The problem here is first off, the god of the bible, the quran, the tankah, of theist faiths, is PURELY "MYTH".
Now to Natures God;
God is both good and evil.
If God is the source of ALL things, and NOTHING would exist without having first existed within God itself and having beeinbrought into the manifest universe that we observe and live in and are part of; than it follows logically that the idea that God is good and only thus- is absurd! It follows that, God created AL things, all energy, thought, matter,essense,etc; this means that ALL things we "percieve" of as "good", and all things we "percieve" of as "evil"- whether form INDIVIDUAL perspectives, or socilized into us by our cultures, or by natural law, or by our ability as a species as a whole to be able to reason out rational,fair, and practica ethics, as a collective; all these things we "percieve' of as good or evil, are ALL from this same source- GOD!
God is both good and evil.
To be more precise-"God" is BEYOND "good" and "evil", "good and evil beeing human contructs{or the contructs of living organism sentient life forms in the Cosmos}.
Love/hate, justice/injustice, good/evil, harm/help, beauty/ugliness, joy/despair, peace/war, all our dualities- God is a balance of all{kinda like the Tao, or the yin/yang concept}.
God is non-personal, God is not human like nor human-centered, so God cannot be rationally blamed nor praised, God is too vast and ineffable and UNKNOWN{accept that we can postulate that there is a good chance this intelligent thing exists by the ordered chaos, the limited set of natural laws that we are aware exist, the diverse and comple but ordered universe}.
God, at best, can be seen with a certain awe or reverance{by this I do not mean the common ideals of "worship", but rather much the same way we awe or reverance nature and the vast comsos}.
The problem of evil is a false argument. so is the argument of "good". Both are human contstructs and perspectives, as a social species there is good REASON that can be supported scientirically and philosophically to follow certain practical ethics, it's part of naural law and beeing of the human species; but there is NO UNIVERSAL "GOOD" OR "EVIL". All comes from this source{or "God' if ye will}----
---God is BEYOND "GOOD" AND "EVIL".
In Reason:
Irrev.Bill
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RGIngersoll
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Matt.5:39 ...resist not evil... What was Matthew thinking when he put these words in the mouth of Jesus?
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