Why do you think the sabbath is always such a 'hot topic'?

[ticker]

It's not a law-based belief, but a bible based belief. Tell me this, do you believe in lawlessness? yes or no

Yes...but it doesn't apply to US (...Christians)

-"Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him."

But WE (...Christians) are in Him.

But WE (...Christians) know Him.

Therefore WE can't wilfully sin (...and be lawless).

Now, maybe saying that we can't wilfully sin (...and be lawless) doesn't make any sense to you, but having understood the Gospel of Grace, it makes perfect sense to me (....nevermind if some law-based Christian might come along and argue that this or other verses like it aren't in fact saying so). It doesn't matter...once you get Grace, it's CLEAR scripture is saying so.

Peace

 

[Stryder06]

Yes...but it doesn't apply to US (...Christians)

="Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him."

But WE (...Christians) are in Him.

But WE (...Christians) know Him.

Therefore WE can't wilfully sin (...and be lawless).

Now, maybe saying that we can't wilfully sin (...and be lawless) doesn't make sense to you, but having understood the Gospel of Grace, it makes perfect sense to me (....nevermind if some law-based Christian might come along and argue this or other verses like it might be getting at something different). It doesn't matter...once you get it, you get it.

Peace

You're looking at this the wrong way. No one can force you to sin, so every time you do you've made a conscious decision to break the law of God. Period. The difference between us and those that don't believe is that we have an Advocate with the Father who will forgive us our sins if we confess them to Him. Thus as far as Christ is concerned, even though we sin, we are counted among the righteous because we believe in Him.

Grace doesn't excuse sin. Sin never happens by accident, even among us Christians. Do you think Peter accidentally denied Christ? He knew full well what He was doing. Just like Judas, the difference between the two is that Peter repented bitterly and clung to Christ while Judas went out and hung himself.

Grace doesn't replace the law. We wouldn't need grace were it not for the law. Get rid of the law and there's no need for grace because there's nothing to forgive.

 

[ticker]

You're looking at this the wrong way.

Did I call it, or did I call it?

 

[ticker]

Sorry my SDA brothers and sisters...but COULD IT BE that perhaps either through upbringing, or false teachers, or whatever, you have simply believed on something that might just not be the Gospel?

I mean...thread after thread after thread you're getting pretty much every one of your brothers and sisters here who's not an SDA telling you that you couldn't be any more wrong in your interpretations of every single example of scripture you've put forward to back up your claims.

Now...I know it's sometimes tough to admit we're wrong, especially if we've made some kind of invenstment/built our lives around a belief that we claim is the truth. But come on...if it really was the true Gospel, don't you think even a few of us would be right on board with you on this?

I say this respectfully, but if you can't, even for your brothers and sisters, take a moment to just consider that maybe you've unfortunatley believed on something that just might not in fact be the Gospel, then at least do it for Jesus.

Peace

 

[ticker]

I've already given my answer to the OPs question. There's nothing more left to say.

Why do you think the sabbath is always such a 'hot topic'?

...quite simply, beacuse it disgraces the work of Jesus on the Cross, and maintains the day of rest didn't in fact come in the form of Christ Himself from His sacrifice.

Peace

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by ticker Why do you think the sabbath is always such a 'hot topic'?

...quite simply, beacuse it disgraces the work of Jesus on the Cross, and maintains the day of rest didn't in fact come in the form of Christ Himself from His sacrifice.

Matthew 11:29 Seize the yoke/zugon <2218> of Me upon ye, and be learning from Me, that meek I Am and humble to the heart, and ye shall be finding rest to the souls of ye

Acts 15:10 Now then any/why ye are trying the God, to put a Yoke/zugon <2218> upon the Neck of the Disciples, which neither the fathers of us neither are we are able to bear? [Deut 28:48/Reve 6:5]

 

[Stryder06]

Did I call it, or did I call it?

Funny thing is that the same could be said to you, Once you get it (that grace and the law work together) you get it (that the law hasn't been done away with).

 

[Stryder06]

Sorry my SDA brothers and sisters...but COULD IT BE that perhaps either through upbringing, or false teachers, or whatever, you have simply believed on something that might just not be the Gospel?

I mean...thread after thread after thread you're getting pretty much every one of your brothers and sisters here who's not an SDA telling you that you couldn't be any more wrong in your interpretations of every single example of scripture you've put forward to back up your claims.

Now...I know it's sometimes tough to admit we're wrong, especially if we've made some kind of invenstment/built our lives around a belief that we claim is the truth. But come on...if it really was the true Gospel, don't you think even a few of us would be right on board with you on this?

I say this respectfully, but if you can't, even for your brothers and sisters, take a moment to just consider that maybe you've unfortunatley believed on something that just might not in fact be the Gospel, then at least do it for Jesus.

Peace

Man, if only the "because the majority believes it, it must be right" school of thought held weight when it comes to the bible. If it did then you're right, I'd have to give what I believe a second thought. But Christ told us that broad is the way that leads to destruction and that narrow is the path that leads to salvation and there are few that find it.

Seems to me that believing the "unpopular thing" puts me in a safer category than believing what everyone else does.

Edit: One scripture showing that sunday is a holy day. Just one. The first person that shows me this, I promise I'll come join your congregation.

 

[ticker]

Matthew 11:29 Seize the yoke/zugon <2218> of Me upon ye, and be learning from Me, that meek I Am and humble to the heart, and ye shall be finding rest to the souls of ye

Acts 15:10 Now then any/why ye are trying the God, to put a Yoke/zugon <2218> upon the Neck of the Disciples, which neither the fathers of us neither are we are able to bear? [Deut 28:48/Reve 6:5]

Amen.

 

[visionary]

Yes...but it doesn't apply to US (...Christians)

-"Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him."

But WE (...Christians) are in Him.

But WE (...Christians) know Him.

Therefore WE can't wilfully sin (...and be lawless).

Now, maybe saying that we can't wilfully sin (...and be lawless) doesn't make any sense to you, but having understood the Gospel of Grace, it makes perfect sense to me (....nevermind if some law-based Christian might come along and argue that this or other verses like it aren't in fact saying so). It doesn't matter...once you get Grace, it's CLEAR scripture is saying so.

Peace

Now comes the tricky part... getting to be in Him...

 

[ticker]

Now comes the tricky part... getting to be in Him...

As I said, we ARE are in Him.

-"For in Him we live and move and exist"

So yes...no one who lives in Him keeps sinning, because in Him there is so sin.

Nice try.


EDIT: (...the denial and/or lack of acknowledging scripture with law-based believers just never ends. Amazing.)

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Now comes the tricky part... getting to be in Him...

To some it can be I suppose. I have been in Him for about 7 yrs now and haven't yet seen anything tricky about it

 

[ticker]

Funny thing is that the same could be said to you, Once you get it (that grace and the law work together) you get it (that the law hasn't been done away with).

Sure...but who would agree with you?

 

[ticker]

Seems to me that believing the "unpopular thing" puts me in a safer category than believing what everyone else does.

Actually, I (...and others who speak of the "exchanged life", or "surrendered life", or "abiding life", etc) believe in a lot of "unpopular" things....difference is, I get Christians from all backgrounds and denominations popping up all the time here saying that what I've said has spoken to them (...and often, in a life-changing way).

Now, why do you think that is?

Peace

 

[ThomasDa]

Why do you think the sabbath is always such a 'hot topic'?

It's really as simple as Satan trying to keep people from knowing the truth.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

It's really as simple as Satan trying to keep people from knowing the truth.

Tis true

Reve 3:9 Behold! I-am-giving out of the synagogue/sunagwghV <4864> of the Satan, to-the ones saying them-selves Judeans to-be and not they-are, but are false.
Behold! I shall be making them that they shall be arriving, and they shall be worshipping before the feet of thee, and they may be knowing that I love/hgaphsa <25> (5656) thee.

 

[Stryder06]

Actually, I (...and others who speak of the "exchanged life", or "surrendered life", or "abiding life", etc) believe in a lot of "unpopular" things....difference is, I get Christians from all backgrounds and denominations popping up all the time here saying that what I've said has spoken to them (...and often, in a life-changing way).

Now, why do you think that is?

Peace

I don't judge the hearts of men. I do know that there are people all over that love the Lord as much as they can by the light that they have.

I do know that at one point in the near future, God will call His people out of Babylon. I know that there is to be one Shepard and one flock. I know that the bible says that those who make through tribulation have the faith of Jesus and keep His commandments.

God knows what He's doing. All we're doing is putting the information out there for those who are unawares. The Holy Spirit will lead, and those who listen will find the truth.

I hear of people all the time being converted because of this sabbath question. People are looking for bible based answers and aren't getting them from their pastors because they don't have them.

Believe it or not, but I've read stories of individuals being lead, by angels to this church specifically. Yeah it sounds off the wall, but only if you believe that there is something that God can't do.

So yeah. I'm more than confident that we have and are speaking the truth about the sabbath. The light will come eventually in such a way that it won't be deniable.

I mean, have you ever wondered "What if they're right?"

 

[DonnyT]

Here's a better question. Why didn't God tell us to worship Him the whole week instead of just giving us one day?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

*snip*

I don't judge the hearts of men. I do know that there are people all over that love the Lord as much as they can by the light that they have.

I do know that at one point in the near future, God will call His people out of Babylon. I know that there is to be one Shepard and one flock. I know that the bible says that those who make through tribulation have the faith of Jesus and keep His commandments..........

Do the SDA's really have it figured out on what the Babylon is symbolizing in Revelation?

That Babylon, in my most humble view, is long gone, but yet it seems the SDA's are obsessed with bringing that up. Why?

 

[ticker]

I'm more than confident that we have and are speaking the truth about the sabbath.

Ok.