Why do some denominations not believe in Once Saved, Always Saved?

[Albion]

Which "the bible" is the word of God?

You want to throw the baby out with the scriptural bathwater, I take it. Virtually every church in Christendom agrees on the same 66 books, so what is your objection to them?

no, you can let God do the judging of his servant and stop putting yourself in his seat.

Please try to keep the discussion serious.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

You want to throw the baby out with the scriptural bathwater, I take it. Virtually every church in Christendom agrees on the same 66 books, so what is your objection to them?

the previous post showed billy graham and the pope in agreement over "the bible" but billy graham used a 66 book bible and the pope uses a bible with more books in it . that was why i asked the question . Bible A and Bible B are not the same bible . also there's Bible C and Bible D as well .

Please try to keep the discussion serious.

okay then, more plainly, discuss my posts not the poster (me)

 

[Albion]

the previous post showed billy graham and the pope in agreement over "the bible" but billy graham used a 66 book bible and the pope uses a bible with more books in it .

Let me refresh your memory.

The previous post showed the Pope and the Rev. Mr. Graham in agreement that the Bible is properly termed the "Word of God." It was not about them agreeing on the particular books to be included, although they clearly do agree on the 66 that I referred to.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Let me refresh your memory.

The previous post showed the Pope and the Rev. Mr. Graham in agreement that the Bible is properly termed the "Word of God." It was not about them agreeing on the particular books to be included, although they clearly do agree on the 66 that I referred to.

no Catholics have it written in their catechism what the "deposit of faith" is . and its not 66 books .

 

[Albion]

no Catholics have it written in their catechism what the "deposit of faith" is . and its not 66 books .

You misunderstood again, huh? Maybe if you just read a little bit more carefully.

 

[NorrinRadd]

Arminianism and Finneyism are two different things. Please don't be so polemical to the point you engage in distortions of what other people truly believe.

Arminius also believed the elect were "chosen before the foundation of the world", but God chose them on the basis of their faith.

Could you elaborate on how you see the difference between 'chosen before the foundation of the world' and 'chosen on the basis of their faith' Also how you reconcile scripture on that?

One line of Arminian reasoning is that before the foundation of the world, God foresaw (or foreknew) who would come to faith, and "chose" them on that basis. They were "chosen" or "elected" "according to the foreknowledge of the Father" (1 Pet. 1:2).

 

[Gregory Thompson]

You misunderstood again, huh? Maybe if you just read a little bit more carefully.

i think i just disagree with what's being posted from the premise . thanks for the conversation .

 

[Albion]

Here's the statement:

the Pope has called the Bible the "Word of God," and the Rev. Billy Graham has called the Bible the "Word of God." For any of us ordinary mortals to claim more expertise in these matters than BOTH of those men....

 

[catholichomeschooler]

You want to throw the baby out with the scriptural bathwater, I take it. Virtually every church in Christendom agrees on the same 66 books, so what is your objection to them?


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Most Christians are Catholic. Another 500 million are Orthodox.

Which bible do they use?

 

[catholichomeschooler]

One line of Arminian reasoning is that before the foundation of the world, God foresaw (or foreknew) who would come to faith, and "chose" them on that basis. They were "chosen" or "elected" "according to the foreknowledge of the Father" (1 Pet. 1:2).

Yes.

And foreknowledge is not exactly accurate when viewed from God's perspective. God is outside of time. God knows who are his because he knows our choices.

He sees the finished product already. We don't.

 

[Albion]

Most Christians are Catholic. Another 500 million are Orthodox.

Which bible do they use?

I've already shown that the term "Word of God" is widely used among Christians all across the spectrum. The head of your own church did so in public. That was the issue--the terminology.

 

[South Bound]

Most Christians are Catholic. Another 500 million are Orthodox.

Which bible do they use?

Truth isn't determined by majority vote.

Who cares how many people use what Bible?

 

[catholichomeschooler]

Truth isn't determined by majority vote.

Who cares how many people use what Bible?

Which bible do the oldest churches use?

 

[South Bound]

Which bible do the oldest churches use?

Again, why is that relevant?

 

[catholichomeschooler]

Again, why is that relevant?

They are closer to Christ and the apostles. Modern rationalist innovations should be viewed with suspicion.

 

[Albion]

They are closer to Christ and the apostles. Modern rationalist innovations should be viewed with suspicion.

If that's your standard, when do you plan on converting to Eastern Orthodoxy?

 

[catholichomeschooler]

If that's your standard, when do you plan on converting to Eastern Orthodoxy?

The Orthodox Church came out of the Catholic Church.

 

[South Bound]

They are closer to Christ and the apostles.

And...?

 

[Albion]

The Orthodox Church came out of the Catholic Church.

Hook, Line, AND the Sinker, too.

 

[squint]

The Orthodox Church came out of the Catholic Church.

That's pretty funny.