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1Jn 5:16 He that knoweth his brother to sin a sin which is not to death (Venial), let him ask: and life shall be given to him who sinneth not to death (Venial). There is a sin unto death (Mortal). For that I say not that any man ask. 17 All iniquity is sin. And there is a sin unto death (Mortal)..
You pulled that interpretation out of the body part you sit on, not the text itself.
You pulled that interpretation out of the body part you sit on, not the text itself.
I actually love how Paul sets up Romans 11, showing that Israel was blinded and deafened by a spirit of stupor
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And of course as we all know - the unbelieving Jews of Paul's day -- did not include Paul or the Apostles - or the NT Jerusalem church..
And of course as we all know - many of the unbelieving Jews of Paul's day - died -- lost ... without ever accepting the Gospel.
In Matt 18 even a determined spirit of unforgiveness will do it.
In Romans 11 - we see that a determined effort towards unbelief is the same as ...
20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear;
21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either.
22Behold then thekindness and severityof God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, Gods kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.
And of course as we all know - the unbelieving Jews of Paul's day -- did not include Paul or the Apostles - or the NT Jerusalem church..
And of course as we all know - many of the unbelieving Jews of Paul's day - died -- lost ... without ever accepting the Gospel.
And of course Paul makes the case in Romans 11 that this same problem awaits the saved saint should they ever turn from their perseverance and faithfulness to God.
Hence the text never commented upon / resoveld /solved by the OSAS doctrine.
20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear;
21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either.
22Behold then thekindness and severityof God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, Gods kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.
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And as we all know - there is no limit to the bad doctrine that can be had if the texts that refute it are simply ignored.
absolutely none of this part of you post makes any sense whatsoever. So in your world we either send a kid that stoled a pack of bubblegum to jail for 20 years, if he doesn't satisfy x; or let a spree killer go free, if he satisfies x. That is quite frankly a to posey turfy world you live in.Yet they fail to see that by taking into themselves the threat of eternal torture in fire to another sinner, they have in fact themselves been enveloped by the 'sin unto death' themselves, in their own hearts.
That is the sin unto death. You can not hate another believer any more than that nor can a person bring any greater hatred INTO themselves than that.
And there they are SEARED. There they are LOCKED.
They have fallen prey to the wicked judge themselves. It has created quite a mess within christianity.
At the basis of every form of christian sectarianism, there is a false authority of men (or women) who have used this form of extortion upon their flocks to gather them and corral them by threats and coercions against their souls.
It's the deepest form of fear mongering there is and more deadly than any of the famous deadly seven.
I would never say that such are eternally lost for 2 reasons. One, it is bad bad bad for ones internals to convey such a thing to another believer. And 2, God is just Bigger than that and Able to save them anyway, even though they may part here with brief retrospect that maybe they could have seen better, that God in Christ IS Bigger than all of that. An opps moment, however, fleeting.
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absolutely none of this part of you post makes any sense whatsoever.
We already know your sect has the deadly 7 sins or some may have the dirty dozen sins or whatever.So in your world we either send a kid that stoled a pack of bubblegum to jail for 20 years, if he doesn't satisfy x; or let a spree killer go free, if he satisfies x. That is quite frankly a to posey turfy world you live in.
You can site any given scripture set to anyone here and none will deny them. I certainly don't.I will just have to let St. Paul speak for me for he does so more eligant than I ever could: Gal 5: 13 As for you, brethren, you were called to freedom! Only, do not use your freedom to satisfy the flesh, but through love, become each other’s bondservants
14 because the whole law is fulfilled in one message, which is this one, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
15 But if you bite and devour each other, be careful that you do not end up in mutual destruction.
16 I say this: walk by the Spirit, and you will not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
17 What the {fallen} flesh desires is against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh! And these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you desire.
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are obvious. They are: adultery, sexual immorality, impurity, lust,
20 idolatry, the practice of magic, hatred, strife, selfish ambitions, outbursts of anger, rivalries, divisions, heresies,
21 envies, murders, excess drinking, orgies, and similar things. About these, I warn you, as I have done in the past: those who practice such things will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
More like, why does the only source for all that exists need to be praised as such? Or else he'll let "you" die and suffer for eternity for not paying him homage.
I think the salvation paradigm is taken far too literally. When it was meant to be a metaphor for uniting back with the source from whence one can never be separated.
But very often people are taught to believe salvation is like a trinket. Someone gives it to them and at their discretion they can snatch it away. Meaning it was never a true gift in the first place since the condition for keeping the trinket was adhering to the right behavior the giver prescribed beforehand.
No. You keep confusing things you should be doing. You are equating sin to the sinner, I.e. Identifying sin with the one who sins, for some weird strange reason, that I haven't figured out yet. Obviously that isn't Biblical. From your understanding I guess you assume that Jesus advocated the sin of adultery because He didn't judge the adulterous woman. But you forget what He said afterwards, your sins are forgiven, go and sin no more. Don't forget the sin no more part that is important.Think about it this way. As you judge, so you will be judged.
Now some will read that and shy away instantly from condemning another believer, fallen or not. And some will condemn that sin of unbelief and think they are immune, but they seem to forget that they too are sinners.
Does that make it simpler for you?
agreed that is why I DONT judge the sanctity of people, but only false ideas. I challenge you to find a post of mine where I judged someone as being hell bound.People who judge do themselves get taken in judgment. See Romans 2:1 for a great example.
We already know your sect has the deadly 7 sins or some may have the dirty dozen sins or whatever.
The fact of sin will remain that we are all sinners and zero are sinless. If you are taught to believe that you are less the sinner, that is your pleasure.
so are you calling me a fool?Jesus said just calling someone a fool can put one into the threat of hell themselves.
Matthew 5:22
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Does that seem fair to you?
Obviously are are denying the Scripture posted, and since you are in the judging camp as you are judging some passages of Scripture as being unworthy of belief.You can site any given scripture set to anyone here and none will deny them. I certainly don't.
What we take away from them obviously varies greatly.
I'm in the "judge not lest you be judged" and "condemn not" camp in case you didn't notice.
Some leap into that headlong, forgetting their own status as sinners.
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No. You keep confusing things you should be doing. You are equating sin to the sinner, I.e. Identifying sin with the one who sins, for some weird strange reason, that I haven't figured out yet.
Obviously that isn't Biblical. From your understanding I guess you assume that Jesus advocated the sin of adultery because He didn't judge the adulterous woman.
But you forget what He said afterwards, your sins are forgiven, go and sin no more. Don't forget the sin no more part that is important.
agreed that is why I DONT judge the sanctity of people, but only false ideas. I challenge you to find a post of mine where I judged someone as being hell bound.
so are you calling me a fool?
Obviously are are denying the Scripture posted, and since you are in the judging camp as you are judging some passages of Scripture as being unworthy of belief.
The fact is the Commandments are not chains, rather they are hammers and chisels to break the true chains of sin.
Galatians 5:14 (NKJV)
14For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
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There is constant failure. No one can love like God commands ... since God alone can love in this capacity.
... We love God, and we love our neighbor.......just not as well as we give ourselves credit for, and certainly not as God commands.
In Matt 18 even a determined spirit of unforgiveness will do it as we saw here.
http://www.christianforums.com/t7828521-53/#post65913382
Matt 18
32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
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