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Why do some christians think that morals come from god?

Discussion in 'Exploring Christianity' started by workmx, Jul 21, 2014.

  1. workmx

    workmx Active Member

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    I am laughed at your breach of Godwin's Law and that is all. :thumbsup:
     
  2. Joshua260

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    We can certainly go into Old Testament issues in another thread. And I wasn't going to address whether there is a divine being just yet. My only assertion so far is that there are objective moral values and duties.

    But I noticed that you asked "Should it have ever been morally acceptable to kill people for working on the Sabbath, homosexuality, blasphemy, or kids who disobey their parents?" I take it then that you believe that this was wrong, no matter when or who might have believed it to be morally acceptable at one time, is that correct?
     
  3. workmx

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    Unless you were actually serious.

    Was your post not a joke???

    I misinterpreted it???

    :confused::confused::confused:
     
  4. dcalling

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    But no one can give evidence that there is nothing supernatural either.

    Anyone can setup $2mil prize for prove of no supernatural too.
    That should make you an agnostic, not an atheist.

    A lot evidence that God exists. No one is able to create a computer that have human level intelligence, Chicken or egg come first?

    Every year I saw many Santa so you might be right :)

    Unless you are a agnostic, you are also a claimant :)
     
  5. workmx

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    So why believe in the supernatural?

    Indeed.

    AFAIK they are not mutually exclusive.

    That contradicts your first statement. God is supernatural (beyond natural) therefore there can be no evidence that gods exist.

    Or do I have it wrong?

    Indeed.

    I have previously said that I have not seen any evidence for the existence of gods.

    If that makes me agnostic, so be it.

    Thnaks for letting me know myself better.
     
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  6. Albion

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    Fair enough, but that doesn't really have anything to do with the question of the thread, does it?
     
  7. Lenny3

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    "Objective morals" don't make sense to me since morals change within any give culture dependent on the given time/place. Morals are subjective.

    No, that is not correct. In this time and place, all of those things are morally reprehensible. In a different time and place, they were A-ok. I cannot project my modern morals onto those of the bronze-aged.
     
  8. workmx

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    I agree and I have asked numerous times that we get back on topic. :hug:
     
  9. workmx

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    Indeed, but we can recognise that their morality was underdeveloped compared to our own.

    In fact, most religios people do this unconsciously.

    Also because of that lack of development, we should disgard anything they they had to say on the topic.

    This is the key step that I would like to see the religious take.
     
  10. dcalling

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    Already explained to you in a prior post, computers, which you claim did not understand...

    The evidence are auxiliary. Computer vs humans (as in prior post), chicken/egg, shorten of Y chromosome... All make that there are something supernatural very likely. especially human intelligence. We can do what natural can't do in millions of years, but if we humans with intelligence can't design something that are comparable to us, natural certainly can't either.

    You are very welcome :)
     
  11. workmx

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    Isn't that just another way of saying: I don't know.

    How do you get from "I don't know" to "God did it"?
     
  12. dcalling

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    It is the very strong evidence. So scientists think there are black holes in the universe, they are not certain but they got some "side evidences" that they think can prove it. Does black holes exists? all they can say is "likely"
     
  13. Albion

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    Glad that someone else feels that way, too.

    All that I'm reading about why we should believe in a god is off topic.
     
  14. Lenny3

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    We can see massive gravitational pulls in the universe by observing flows in Redshift. That is evidence for black holes. I'm not sure you know what Black Holes are, but no matter your ignorance, they do exist... and there is a lot of evidence for them.

    BTW - There is no "proof" in science. Science deals with facts and evidence. Proofs are for math.
     
  15. Mcleanch1

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    Wonderfully said!
     
  16. dcalling

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    There are a lot of evidences for them, but they are all theories, so even with strong evidences, you can only say that black holes very likely exists (note I didn't say they don't exist) due to observations and our current understanding of mass and gravity.

    A claim that black holes do exist is just ... unscientific :)
     
  17. workmx

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    "Black holes" cannot be seen but the fact that they must exist is proved by, and even their mass can be measured by, the effect they have on other things.

    AFAIK, there is not evidence of gods existing or even of them having an effect on anything.
     
  18. workmx

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    Do you know what theory means?

    I doubt it.
     
  19. workmx

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    Indeed. And L3 beat me to it.
     
  20. Harry3142

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    In National Geographic's publication of June, 2011, There is an article entitled The Birth of Religion. In this article you will find basically the same ideas which I have already written in my previous messages. You may be able to read it at www.ngm.com. If not, most libraries in the USA have National Geographic on hand dating back that far.

    Since that article was published there have been documentaries concerning Tobekli Tepe, the location in Turkey where the 12,000 year-old temple was discovered that dramatically altered the view of scientists concerning religion and its influence on civilization.
     
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