Why do some 'Christians' believe that Hell is not eternal?

[JackRT]

Is it then not demonic to say that the Father would torture his creatures forever and ever because they failed to see the Light in their puny 75 years on earth?

Dang! I only have two months left???

 

[Hieronymus]

This teaching is biblical,

Yeah, that's what i was told too.
I strongly suggest you study this though.
You'll find the Biblical case for the traditional view is not that strong at all.
But if you prefer people people to be tortured for ever and ever you should have a look at your heart.
But maybe you don't realize what eternity really means, because it's hard to imagine it.
It means it will never ever end. NEVER. It means it will continue ALWAYS. NO END or outcome.

as Jesus repeatedly states that there will be weeping and gnashing of the teeth in the outer darkness, doesn't sound to me like they just "expire".

Wouldn't you weep and gnash your teeth when you know you will be cast in the lake of fire?

 

[MyGivenNameIsKeith]

Is it then not demonic to say that the Father would torture his creatures forever and ever because they failed to see the Light in their puny 75 years on earth?

It is demonic to attribute righteous judgment which fits the deed to a righteous God. Punishment for doing wrong is good. Everyone has heard and will hear the Word of God, make no mistake. All of creation praises his glory. All of mankind will have no excuse.

 

[Albion]

I don't think you understand what I'm saying. What is God's attitude when he intentionally tortures his enemies for infinity times infinity? Is that love or hate?

I suppose we can rule out it meaning love, right? But must it be hate?

When someone is not rewarded and some others are, does that indicate hate? I do not think it necessarily does. It is a matter of justice. OR it could be that these lost souls just cannot stand the presence of God because of how they've given themselves over to evil. There are possibilities that the average person who thinks in terms of love vs. hate, period, never contemplates.

 

[Hieronymus]

Dang! I only have two months left???

Sorry..
...it's the average age people reach, isn't it?

 

[twin.spin]

Why is answered in Scripture by some of these possibilities:
1) Acts 20:30 --- distort the truth in order to draw disciples away
2) Galatians 1:8-9 --- they're preaching another gospel
3) 2 Timothy 4:3 --- people will not put up with sound doctrine

 

[MyGivenNameIsKeith]

Yeah, that's what i was told too.
I strongly suggest you study this though.
You'll find the Biblical case for the traditional view is not that strong at all.
But if you prefer people people to be tortured for ever and ever you should have a look at your heart.
But maybe you don't realize what eternity really means, because it's hard to imagine it.
It means it will never ever end. NEVER. It means it will continue ALWAYS. NO END or outcome.
Wouldn't you weep and gnash your teeth when you know you will be cast in the lake of fire?

Is that why you are arguing that hell doesn't exist, that people will not be punished for sinning and not believing? instead of stating how Holy God is? How righteous and true and just he is? That there is no way without the atoning blood of Jesus Christ we could ever approach him? If hell and punishment for sin did not exist, then why exactly did Jesus suffer for our sins?

 

[JackRT]

Sorry..
...it's the average age people reach, isn't it?

Oh, it's an average not an absolute?

Sorry to derail the thread --- I'll shut up.

 

[Hieronymus]

It is demonic to attribute righteous judgment which fits the deed to a righteous God. Punishment for doing wrong is good. Everyone has heard and will hear the Word of God, make no mistake. All of creation praises his glory. All of mankind will have no excuse.

The wages of sin is death.
Maybe it's people's vengeful hearts that makes people think death is not enough.
So what i'm doing here is giving you the moral argument against eternal conscious torment.
Bare in mind that eternal is by definition disproportionate to temporary.

 

[MyGivenNameIsKeith]

Why is answered in Scripture by some of these possibilities:
1) Acts 20:30 --- distort the truth in order to draw disciples away
2) Galatians 1:8-9 --- they're preaching another gospel
3) 2 Timothy 4:3 --- people will not put up with sound doctrine

thread is very poignant in this regards.

 

[MyGivenNameIsKeith]

The wages of sin is death.
Maybe it's people's vengeful hearts that makes people think death is not enough.
So what i'm doing here is giving you the moral argument against eternal conscious torment.
Bare in mind that eternal is by definition disproportionate to temporary.

in the beginning, you were fashioned to live forever. your first comment stated precisely where your moral compass sits.

 

[Hieronymus]

Is that why you are arguing that hell doesn't exist,

Where did i argue hell does not exist?

that people will not be punished for sinning and not believing?

The wages of sin is death.
The 2nd death is the final death, and it's death, not conscious.

instead of stating how Holy God is?

How holy and glorious is it to ETERNALLY torture your creatures you did not draw towards your Holy Self?

How righteous and true and just he is?

Indeed.
Just and righteous. And not only that. Also loving, forgiving and gracious.

That there is no way without the atoning blood of Jesus Christ we could ever approach him?

Exactly.
John 3:16 is unmistakeably clear.

If hell and punishment for sin did not exist, then why exactly did Jesus suffer for our sins?

DEATH.
Do you know what death means?
It's the wages of sin, and ALL have sinned, except Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ is our holiness. We have nothing to bring to the table except faith in Him.
John 3:16.

 

[Albion]

Is that why you are arguing that hell doesn't exist, that people will not be punished for sinning and not believing? instead of stating how Holy God is? How righteous and true and just he is? That there is no way without the atoning blood of Jesus Christ we could ever approach him? If hell and punishment for sin did not exist, then why exactly did Jesus suffer for our sins?

Why exactly would we need a Savior at all if God is too good NOT to just give everyone a pass?

What the Hebrews in the OT had already been given by God in the way of a moral code to live by would have served that kind of God perfectly well.

 

[Hieronymus]

in the beginning, you were fashioned to live forever.

Uhm, no.
I was born in Adam. Mortal.

your first comment stated precisely where your moral compass sits.

O please do explain. Please.

 

[Hieronymus]

Those in Hell suffering right now put themselves there by rejecting God and following the doctrine of satan.

Nobody puts themselves in hell on purpose.
Yes, they may end up there because of their sins, but that's not the same as "choosing to go to hell", unless they have a silly idea of hell (like party and orgy all day and night) from false teachers.

It is not demonic,

Why not?
Who do you think is out to have God's creatures being tortured for ever and ever? God or the devil?
Think about it.

God is he judge over everything int the universe, He decides what is good and wrong, and he exacts judgement accordingly, sentencing those who sinned tremendously and committed atrocities on their time on Earth to Hell.

Yes, God can do whatever He wants, because Heś God.
But He is also morally superior.
You make Him out to be forever unquenchably vengeful and eternally filled with wrath, since He is, according to you, never finished with punishing who He didn't draw towards Him.

But okay...
This is going nowhere like this.
We shouldn't fight.
You should study this topic for yourself.
I think you're not familiar with the Biblical case for Conditional Immortality and against Eternal Conscious Torment.
Go to Youtube and look for Rethinking Hell videos, visit their website. Learn why Christians believe this.
I can't reproduce the teachings / apologetics / exegesis here.
I can only give you the obvious moral objections against ECT, so that's what i did.
(the moral argument)

 

[Danoded]

Uhm, no.
I was born in Adam. Mortal.O please do explain. Please.

Adam was immortal before he ate the apple.

 

[twin.spin]

Where did i argue hell does not exist?The wages of sin is death.
The 2nd death is the final death, and it's death, not conscious.How holy and glorious is it to ETERNALLY torture your creatures you did not draw towards your Holy Self?Indeed.
Just and righteous. And not only that. Also loving, forgiving and gracious.Exactly.
John 3:16 is unmistakeably clear.DEATH.
Do you know what death means?
It's the wages of sin, and ALL have sinned, except Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ is our holiness. We have nothing to bring to the table except faith in Him.
John 3:16.

Is not 1 Chronicles 28:9 and John 3:36 also clear?

"for the Lord searches every heart and understands every desire and every thought. If you seek him, he will be found by you; but if you forsake him, he will reject you forever." 1 Chronicles 28

"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life,
but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them." John 3​

The truth is there is conscious existence after physical death's judgement and after when all people will stand before the Judge at the Final Judgement.

 

[JackRT]

Adam was immortal before he ate the apple.

Was he? Really?

Genesis 3:22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”

 

[JackRT]

"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life,
but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them." John 3

Hmmmm, "will not see life". So no eternal life. Annihilation perhaps?

 

[Hieronymus]

Adam was immortal before he ate the apple.

Yeah, but that changed before they had kids.
Death was introduced into creation ("Dying ye shall die") in Genesis 3.
It was the serpent who lied that they wouldn't die.