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Hello --- nice to meet you ---Yes, I was just joking.It does --- thank you for the info.
It would be a great gain for creationism if all mankind actually knew what evolution is trying to sell.
It is trying to say all the great changes of life from bugs to brains are not from Gods control or innate control but simple desperate survival of types of the same type.
its absurd and dumb. its unwitnessed and unevidenced and unlikely.
Its coming to a end as more and smarter people look at these ideas from close ispection in small circles in Acaedemia. (sp)
Believe me --- I know all about evolution --- from alleles to zygotes and everything in-between; and when I see a kangaroo lay an egg that hatches into a human being after starting out as a porcupine --- then I'll give evolution some validity.
I am quite aware that in late years evolutioniste have re-defined their pet theory in this way, because if all you are talking about is the porportional distribution of alleles, evolution can be clearly demonstrated.
But if you include the rise of alleles that did not previously exist and their spread through a population to the extent that new genera exist, this has never been demonstrated to have ever happened. It exists only in theory.
In my university years as a senior level Biology student, I saw again and again the fact that the only REAL reason that evolution was almost universally accepted was because the only reasonable alternative was a creation of some kind. And that was rejected because a creation requires a creator, and that was a totally unacceptable concept.
The reason, and the only real reason, this concept is so unacceptable is because if there is a creator, then there is someone or something that basically owns us and has a right to tell us what to do.
Like I say: If someone wants to pwn evolution, all they need is the first chapter of the Bible; and if they want to pwn atheism, all they need is the first verse of the Bible.
- Genesis 1 pwns evolution.
- Genesis 1:1 pwns atheism.
Evolution is a theory in the field of biology. It doesn't discuss mass/energy. That is a concept from physics. I am not particularly conversant in physics so I don't have an answer to that question.
I do know that it is not relevant to evolution.
Hello --- nice to meet you ---Yes, I was just joking.It does --- thank you for the info.
To answer matthewj's question: Because we suck at teaching science?
I wonder how many people would actually know how to back up the claim that the earth is round without resorting to photos from outer space (which, after all, can be faked).
I also read a study the other day about how few high school seniors could find their own country on a map, truly sad.
Wait. You mean, like, there are other countries in the world? No way!
This is typical of the gross oversimplification and lack of reasonable thinking displayed by evolutionists.How is it even remotely reasonable to see the huge line of transitional fossils from ape to man and just assume that they were all "created" and have nothing to do with each other.
´Saying that the only choices are creation or evolution is a false dichotomy.
Also what Biology dpt did you work with where magic was an acceptable answer? I have yet to see a single scientific theory that relied on "God" or magic.
If so many are opposed to the idea of a creator then why are most American's Christian? How do you accept Christ as you lord and savior but not be real keen on the idea of a creator God?
This is typical of the gross oversimplification and lack of reasonable thinking displayed by evolutionists.
The few supposedly transitional forms do not demonstrate even a small fraction of a percent of the number of inrermediate forms required for man to have descended from ape-like creatures.
The common answer for this problem is that the fossil record is very incomplete. But that is a pure assumption. This unfounded assumption is clearly demonstrated to be incorrect by the fact that most of the genera known today in Europe and North America have been found fossilized.
Again, similarities indeed seem to indicate some kind of relationship. (Although they do not conclusively prove one.)
But what kind of a relationship do they indicate? They could indeed indicate a hereditary relationship, in the absence of other evidence.
But they can just as reasonably be argued to indicate creation by the same mind.
No one argues that all Chevrolets must be descended from a common ancestor. But their obvious similaraties indeed demonstrate that they came from the same engineering department.
That statement came from my evolutionist Ph.D. professors and advanced biology students in the University of Kentucky in the late 1960's.
I believe in a Creator God. I do not see how any real Christian could possibly reject this concept.
As long as you are trying to be exact, let's make that "the change in the proportional distribution of alleles in a population over generations".
Alleles, of course, can change through mutation, but that doesn't in itself, lead to evolution. You have to get the new allele established in the population first, and then see how it fares against other alleles of the same gene. Does it come to a Mendelian balance (no evolution) or does the proportional distribution change (evolution)?
Only one specimen of an A. afarensis is needed to validate that the species existed. Look at every species of australopithecine and hominine we have, and can we really say that any intermediate form in the human lineage is missing? In several cases, it is not that any form is missing; it is a question of which of two or more forms is the direct ancestor and which the collateral ancestor.
That's fine, a clearer description of what an allele and adaptive evolution includes would be better.
Evolution is a misnomer the way it is used in popular evolutionist rhetoric. It's simple in it's essence my dear so lets not over complicate it.
The question is not do things evolve given the scientific definition of evolution, its, do things evolve, since you have to be mentally ill to think they do not.
The questions are; when they do what are the mechanisms and what are the limits?
What are [the mechanisms] and how do they account for observed and demonstrated adaptation/evolution?
Ultimately the final question has to confront the evolutionist whether he or she likes it or not, are there real limits?
By the way, I have always appreciated your participation in these discussions and would like to wish you a blessed holiday season and a happy new year.
Grace and peace,
Mark
I understand evolution and that it has nothing to do with the origins of life. It has to do with the diversification of species. However, whenever the issue of evolution is discussed, it is pointless to discuss it philosophically if the origin of life is not first laid out. So much of evolution is philosophy of science (interpretations of data from scraps of evidence into a major process). I think this is where scientists drop the ball, as they are not trained in philosophy. They are trained in the scientific processes and interpretation, however the interpretation portion is taken to extremes in evolution due to the inability to see the process in action or test most of the hypotheses.
So, since science cannot answer the beginnings of life (Richard Dawkins has admitted it cannot be answered), it is a huge sticking point and theologians are the only ones who have an answer. Evolution's big picture is inexorably linked to the origins of life, and that is why it frequently comes up in discussions.
But, to pointedly answer your question, both average scientists and average theologians (armchair or trained) have a detailed knowledge of only one side of the issue. Typical scientists discussing evolution have a high school equivalent understanding of philosophy/theology and a deep understanding of scientific processes to gain data. On the flip-side, typical theologians (armchair or trained) have a high school equivalent understanding of science but a deep understanding of philosophy/theology. To discuss this topic, it is crucial to have an developed understanding of science, theology and philosophy.
I will say that recent findings in genetics really blow holes in the evolutionary data, though. Now that we know that DNA has little "junk" DNA (scientists until recently thought introns were an evolutionary backlog of previously working genes) and that DNA is read both forward and backward, the genetic evidence behind evolution must be rethought. The percentages quotes for chimpanzee - human genomic similarity are based on exons only, and the "wobble base" for amino acids (third nucleotide can often change without altering the amino acid called for in the protein) being unimportant. Both intron importance and DNA reading findings will reduce greatly the similarity between chimpanzee and human DNA. I venture to say it will be well below 90% now, whereas it has been quoted to be in the high 98% regime previous to these findings. This significantly hurts the evolutionary case since mutations and natural selection take such a long time to really make any meaningful change. The current agreed upon age of the earth by geologists really doesn't leave enough time for evolution of minor species, much less advanced species.
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