Why do people blame calvinists ?

[Dave L]

If grace grabs why worry about repentence? No need for faith under grace grabbin.

You teach salvation by works. Repentance follows salvation.

 

[Cormack]

So you have no scripture proving my position is wrong?

You’d have to tell someone your position and by what evidence you hold to it, Dave. I’m saying if between yourself and Rick you have made some claims, it’s not his job to prove random claims wrong, it’s your job to prove your claim is accurate.

So what’s your claim and why is it accurate?

Then a more helpful discussion can begin.

 

[Cormack]

So you have no scripture proving my position is wrong?

That’s ^^^ what you took from my message Not a great sign....

 

[RickReads]

Prove it wrong if it is as you say.

What`s to prove? Only people who think they save themselves are people who think works save.
Your bizzare accusation is unfounded. According to the OP I`m not an Arminimaniac anyway because I believe in limited freewill. I was just curious to see what scriptures you twist into the shape of your view.
I`m starting to think you don`t really have any.

Every action you say disproves freewill will probably leave some limited freewill choices that I can identify. I haven`t tried this exercise before but that is the result I expect.

 

[Dave L]

What`s to prove? Only people who think they save themselves are people who think works save.
Your bizzare accusation is unfounded. According to the OP I`m not an Arminimaniac anyway because I believe in limited freewill. I was just curious to see what scriptures you twist into the shape of your view.
I`m starting to think you don`t really have any.

Every action you say disproves freewill will probably leave some limited freewill choices that I can identify. I haven`t tried this exercise before but that is the result I expect.

Why reply if you have nothing to affect the outcome?

 

[Dave L]

That’s ^^^ what you took from my message Not a great sign....

This is all you are giving me to work with?

 

[Dave L]

You’d have to tell someone your position and by what evidence you hold to it, Dave. I’m saying if between yourself and Rick you have made some claims, it’s not his job to prove random claims wrong, it’s your job to prove your claim is accurate.

So what’s your claim and why is it accurate?

Then a more helpful discussion can begin.

Jesus saves nobody if he died for all and all are not saved.

 

[RickReads]

You’d have to tell someone your position and by what evidence you hold to it, Dave. I’m saying if between yourself and Rick you have made some claims, it’s not his job to prove random claims wrong, it’s your job to prove your claim is accurate.

So what’s your claim and why is it accurate?

Then a more helpful discussion can begin.

Dave says Arminimaniacs make themselves their own savior instead of Jesus. He had some term for it that started with a P. Real stomach churner of a heresy. That kinda got me started, and since then he`s asking me cute questions attempting to trip me up because I believe in limited freewill.

He appears to prefer using philosophy and what he considers to be logic over using scriptures.

 

[RickReads]

Jesus saves nobody if he died for all and all are not saved.

There you go again. I dunno what verse that is

 

[Cormack]

Dave says Arminimaniacs make themselves their own savior instead of Jesus. He had some term for it that started with a P. Real stomach churner of a heresy. That kinda got me started, and since then he`s asking me cute questions attempting to trip me up because I believe in limited freewill.

He appears to prefer using philosophy and what he considers to be logic over using scriptures.

I think Dave has some problems with ideas like the burden of proof His style appears to be...

A. Make unfounded claim...

B. Demand reader disproves unfounded claim...

 

[Dave L]

There you go again. I dunno what verse that is

It's the outcome of saying Jesus died for everyone when he did not according to scripture.

 

[Dave L]

Dave says Arminimaniacs make themselves their own savior instead of Jesus. He had some term for it that started with a P. Real stomach churner of a heresy. That kinda got me started, and since then he`s asking me cute questions attempting to trip me up because I believe in limited freewill.

He appears to prefer using philosophy and what he considers to be logic over using scriptures.

You need to produce scripture proving me wrong, not your "feelings".

 

[RickReads]

It's the outcome of saying Jesus died for everyone when he did not according to scripture.

Watch out for dust when you crack open your Bible!

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

whosoever
WHOSOEVER, pron. who, so, and ever. Any one; any person whatever.

 

[RickReads]

You need to produce scripture proving me wrong, not your "feelings".

I been waitin for one to come up.

 

[RickReads]

You teach salvation by works. Repentance follows salvation.

You don`t repent until after you were saved?

 

[Dave L]

You don`t repent until after you were saved?

You can't. It's spiritual repentance the flesh cannot discern.

 

[RickReads]

You can't. It's spiritual repentance the flesh cannot discern.

I`m starting to understand why you don`t post verses.

 

[Dave L]

Watch out for dust when you crack open your Bible!

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

whosoever
WHOSOEVER, pron. who, so, and ever. Any one; any person whatever.

“All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.” John 6:37 (NCPB)

Only believers call on the name of the Lord. But faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit = only the saved can believe.

 

[Dave L]

I`m starting to understand why you don`t post verses.

If I thought they would help I would. People see them differently.

 

[Dave L]

I`m starting to understand why you don`t post verses.

What would you do with them thinking the way you do?