Why do other Christians hate Calvinist so much?

[His_disciple3]

No.

And you forgot to answer the question.

No, I didn't forget to answer the question, I answered the question, if the Bible is correct then all men are liars, you forgot that I am on the side that believes all means all and whosoever means exactly whosoever!

 

[His_disciple3]

Wait, so you think those that are Calvinists/Reformed are evil?

Didn't you post that you love Spurgeon's sermons? "I have a edition of Spurgeon's sermon, most are lengthy but I love them," Yet Spurgeon was a Calvinist. So you think Spurgeon is evil but you love his sermons anyways?

Spurgeon on Calvinism

A Defense of Calvinism

My very first post here was that I don't hate calvinist, but I hate calvinism, it is no surprise to me that you also try to twist my word, you have twisted God's word before you did mine. I hate false teachings, man made doctrines, I listen to John Mac almost everyday, very good teacher, but as I say because they misunderstand grace don't make them evil.

 

[His_disciple3]

That is 100% right.

Is it any wonder that strife keeps going here when some here are looking for a fight.

I'm done too, other than to see if the post is produced where I said something that I didn't.

God Bless

Till all are one.

I said if you are a calvinist then you have to say that the world can't mean the whole world, admit it deac. come on! thats what i said. twist as you will, and you and Bella has it 100% right I will fight for the true doctrine, I will fight against any doctrine that discourages people from coming to the Knowledge of Grace and His kingdom and salvation, Paul Himself said that Jesus died for Him that He might have life, not that Because that Jesus died for Him that he had life but that HE MIGHT HAVE LIFE explain this please and this is not Paul saying He couldn't Knowthat was was elected. he said Jesus had died for Us that we might have Life, now either paul is speaking out of both sides of His mouth, and we have a contradiction concerning a major doctrine in scriptures or john calvin misunderstood what paul said about predestination. what say you deac.

 

[DeaconDean]

I said if you are a calvinist then you have to say that the world can't mean the whole world, admit it deac.

I have you dead to rights.

You singled me out.

Saying:

let me repeat it deac...you have to say that the word don't mean what it says.

So now we know.

Nuff said.

And another makes my ignore list.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[DIANAC]

Thanks for the admission that you know nothing about that which you oppose. It's almost refreshing.

Btw, what's the name of your church? I'd like to send a letter to the pastor and confront him about what he did. I think it was wrong.

Hammster, I trully did not expect that bad tone will show up at the first response. Maybe you are used to talking this way and it became a second nature to you. But it's not nice. It's not building the bridges between people. It's tearing them down.
We sat under the extensive teachings of Calvin for 7 years. I studied along side with every sermon, every Bible Study. I read Church Fathers and went to seminars. I wanted to understand how people who read the Bible can believe this doctrine.
Indeed, I do not know everything about the Calvinism, but "know nothing' is not the case.

Thank you for offering to communicate with our previous pastor. It's no need.
We do love him, maybe more than we should considering the circumstances. But I know that the love we have for him and his family is from the Lord and I am thankful for that.

 

[Robs07M6S]

Disgusting, totally and completely disgusting.

 

[DeaconDean]

Spurgeon points out:

"the whole world has gone after him" Did all the world go after Christ? "then went all Judea, and were baptized of him in Jordan." Was all Judea, or all Jerusalem, baptized in Jordan? "Ye are of God, little children", and the whole world lieth in the wicked one". Does the whole world there mean everybody? The words "world" and "all" are used in some seven or eight senses in Scripture, and it is very rarely the "all" means all persons, taken individually. The words are generally used to signify that Christ has redeemed some of all sorts -- some Jews, some Gentiles, some rich, some poor, and has not restricted His redemption to either Jew or Gentile ...

C.H. Spurgeon from a sermon on Particular Redemption

But what do I know, I'm a Calvinist, I change the words to mean what I want them to mean.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[Hammster]

No, I didn't forget to answer the question, I answered the question, if the Bible is correct then all men are liars, you forgot that I am on the side that believes all means all and whosoever means exactly whosoever!

You're a liar?

 

[Hammster]

I said if you are a calvinist then you have to say that the world can't mean the whole world, admit it deac. come on! thats what i said. twist as you will, and you and Bella has it 100% right I will fight for the true doctrine, I will fight against any doctrine that discourages people from coming to the Knowledge of Grace and His kingdom and salvation, Paul Himself said that Jesus died for Him that He might have life, not that Because that Jesus died for Him that he had life but that HE MIGHT HAVE LIFE explain this please and this is not Paul saying He couldn't Knowthat was was elected. he said Jesus had died for Us that we might have Life, now either paul is speaking out of both sides of His mouth, and we have a contradiction concerning a major doctrine in scriptures or john calvin misunderstood what paul said about predestination. what say you deac.

Why haven't you come over to Soteriology where there is a thread devoted to Calvinists changing words? That way you won't keep derailing this thread.

 

[DeaconDean]

Why haven't you come over to Soteriology where there is a thread devoted to Calvinists changing words? That way you won't keep derailing this thread.

Here, here.

I'm subscribed and waiting.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[Hammster]

Hammster, I trully did not expect that bad tone will show up at the first response. Maybe you are used to talking this way and it became a second nature to you. But it's not nice. It's not building the bridges between people. It's tearing them down.
We sat under the extensive teachings of Calvin for 7 years. I studied along side with every sermon, every Bible Study. I read Church Fathers and went to seminars. I wanted to understand how people who read the Bible can believe this doctrine.
Indeed, I do not know everything about the Calvinism, but "know nothing' is not the case.

Thank you for offering to communicate with our previous pastor. It's no need.
We do love him, maybe more than we should considering the circumstances. But I know that the love we have for him and his family is from the Lord and I am thankful for that.

I didn't expect that your first post would have a bad tone and accuse Calvinists of preaching a false Gospel.

 

[DeaconDean]

Calvinists of preaching a false Gospel.

But brother, we're Calvinists, thats what we do, didn't you know that?

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[Hupomone10]

I really don't understand this very clear hatred of those who believe in the theory of Calvinism. You may disagree and that is your right but it is also our right to believe in it.

I think this might help you understand where some of that animosity comes from...
Q:

I am naive about this because I have no issue with Calvinists or Calvinism. What do Calvinists teach?

A:

The truth.

I know it was a joke, but generally jokes are an attempt to get across a point in a jovial way that the sender wants to make.

Now, Lik3 has had her first taste at trying to understand the Calvinism/Arminian controversy, and the only thing she knows for sure is that Calvinists are arrogant, condescending, and think they have a corner on the truth.

Good job

 

[DIANAC]

I didn't expect that your first post would have a bad tone and accuse Calvinists of preaching a false Gospel.

Hammster, what you did is you lied, ignorantly, but a lied nonetheless. What I did is answered OP. Big difference.

Perhaps OP was a genuine question, but it was hijacked and sacrificed at the altar of Calvinism.

Unsubscribing as I hate to see the followers of Christ at their worst.

 

[Hupomone10]

I love Calvinists, but strongly disagree with Calvinism that teaches another Gospel, diminishes the completed work of my Jesus claiming that he died for only tiny portion of humanity.
I love Calvinists, but strongly do not like divisive Calvinism. Nowadays they put people out of church because they are not Calvinists. This is what happened to us. Non-Calvinists were not even allowed to be in a worship team and had to leave. And one middle aged lady who for years played the piano was asked to step down, again because she was not a Calvinist.
I love Calvinists, but strongly oppose Calvinism that snatches hope from the unsaved and throws into a despair many sinning Christians who think that they are predestined for Hell.
I love Calvinists!

Dianac,
When people who have such an exclusive view toward the church pass themselves off as the quintessential Calvinist, that is what gives Calvinism a bad name. I feel exactly the same way, only it is only toward hyper-Calvinists I have to feel that way, not the typical Baptist.

My wife and I attended a 5-point Calvinist Baptist church a few years ago, and after about a year and half we went to the new members' class and the teacher made it very clear to the group that predestination and limited atonement is where they stood. But I asked him if it was a deal-breaker and a person had to confess adherence to that to join, and he said 'no.' However, I knew that if I went on to teach, I would not teach in any way that distracted from the church's position or if I felt I had to I would not teach at all. Said that to say this, even this church being a 5 pt Calvinist church, didn't determine committees by adherence to 5 pts tulip, even though teaching they should have if they didn't.

I'm sorry I'm behind on the thread, I'm working my way to the end...

 

[Hupomone10]

I am sorry you were treated like that no one should be treated like that no matter what side of the argument they are on. All I can really do is make sure I am not like that I have always tried to watch what I say and be kind even when disagreeing.

It depends on who I am talking to there are so many parts to my faith that I have more than one title. If it is a stranger I stick to Christian cause it's simple. If it is someone I know well I am a Christian, Southern Baptist, Calvinist. This just gives people a more clear view of were I stand on things Biblically and theologically without me going into it all. Do I worship Calvin no do I worship the SBC no they are just titles that explain my belief system more in detail it is a label just like the label of Christian just more in depth.

Thank you for your honesty, Bella, and I apologize if some of my posts in the past led to the feelings you were obviously experiencing when you started the thread. They weren't meant at any person but at an idea that was beginning to bother me how frequently it was being mentioned. But you cannot attack an idea without it seeming to be an attack on the individual with the idea.

I've been led to believe you are new to the Calvinist fold based on earlier posts of yours and what someone on here that apparently knew your earlier posts said. Please understand that regardless of what you might have been told or the impression on here due to the majority of Baptists that post on CF being 5-point, most SBC Baptists are somewhat Calvinist but 5-point Calvinists make up only about 29% in new graduates from seminary and only about 10% of SBC pastors as a whole.

That means 5-pointers are not mainstream in the SBC. So among SBC Baptists in general, if you choose to identify yourself by the tag of Calvinist, unless it's an actual discussion of the doctrine of atonement you're in, you may be unnecessarily setting yourself up for stereotypical responses which are unfortunate but are going to happen because the 5-point view is considered to be fringe, not mainstream, and typically seen by people as a view that is summed up by the thought that Christ didn't die for everyone.

I think I can identify with what you're running into. As a homeschooling parent I've run into stereotypical responses many times in SBC churches, where my membership has been for the majority of my Christian life. Because of that, I typically don't introduce myself as a Christian Baptist Homeschooler when the topic didn't come up. That way I don't force it. When the specific topic of homeschooling does come up I am honest, bold and stand my ground, but I do so knowing I will get many of the stereotypical arguments against it from the mainstreamers, but I'm ready for it and understand it and walked into it knowingly.

Blessings,
H.

 

[Hupomone10]

Hammster, I trully did not expect that bad tone will show up at the first response. Maybe you are used to talking this way and it became a second nature to you. But it's not nice. It's not building the bridges between people. It's tearing them down.
We sat under the extensive teachings of Calvin for 7 years. I studied along side with every sermon, every Bible Study. I read Church Fathers and went to seminars. I wanted to understand how people who read the Bible can believe this doctrine.
Indeed, I do not know everything about the Calvinism, but "know nothing' is not the case.

Thank you for offering to communicate with our previous pastor. It's no need.
We do love him, maybe more than we should considering the circumstances. But I know that the love we have for him and his family is from the Lord and I am thankful for that.

You are a breath of fresh air and appear to be a godly woman. Bella as well. I hope the threads don't ruin that for you or her. People like Hammster and myself I sometimes think when the Holy Spirit handed out spiritual gifts we were handed the gift of dissention, beligerance, and sarcasm. Sarcasm, at any rate.

We really don't mean to offend, but it's like a pressure cooker sometimes where the steam just puffs out the top anyway, and you don't really know when it will puff out so don't put your hand above the pressure cooker. (for those too young to be familiar with pressure cookers, look it up )
When it goes "pffffft", don't worry, it will calm down and say something in love shortly.

"Speak the truth in love." (Eph. 4:15). That's the balance a godly Christian discipler once told me. It's like a balance beam with truth on one side and love on the other. Will we speak only what we think is 'truth' at the expense of others, or will we speak only 'loving' comments allowing others to believe a lie? Or can we "speak the truth in love?"

Blessings,
H.
ift of

 

[Osage Bluestem]

I hope God covers the SBC in truth and Calvinism comes back in full force in the SBC. That would be a blessing.

 

[Robs07M6S]

I hope God covers the SBC in truth and Calvinism comes back in full force in the SBC. That would be a blessing.

As long as people are responding with "because its the truth" I doubt you will be recieving that blessing anytime soon.

 

[phoenixdem]

Is it true that other "Christians" hate Calvinists so much? Anyway, there is a lot of opposition to Predestination, which is clearly taught in the Scriptures. I think that people oppose the teachings of the Scriptures when they take control away from man and into God's hands. People like to think they are in control of the things of God. Man has God inside himself and can direct his own life according to their beliefs.