Why do other Christians hate Calvinist so much?

[cimbk]

To me this whole issue is like one side argueing the glass is half empty, and the other side the glass is half full............the truth is both sides are correct.......most of the arguement is simply not understanding God is timeless, where He sits there is no time, He has no beginning or end, that means for God time doesn't exist, It only exist to the point we understand it, in a linear line. In the final Judgement will all be saved?, no we see from scripture many are called few are chosen. even if Christ died for all, it doesn't matter because we already know many will reject His offer. as we also see some of the called, are not chosen

 

[Robs07M6S]

To me this whole issue is like one side argueing the glass is half empty, and the other side the glass is half full............the truth is both sides are correct.......most of the arguement is simply not understanding God is timeless, where He sits there is no time, He has no beginning or end, that means for God time doesn't exist, It only exist to the point we understand it, in a linear line. In the final Judgement will all be saved?, no we see from scripture many are called few are chosen. even if Christ died for all, it doesn't matter because we already know many will reject His offer. as we also see some of the called, are not chosen

Thank you very much! this is exactly what I have brought up around here time and time again only to have that idea rejected and curb stomped! Because after all what do I know? im only some stupid nut on the internet who doesnt know the first thing about the soverienty of God.

 

[Hammster]

Hammster, what you did is you lied, ignorantly, but a lied nonetheless. What I did is answered OP. Big difference.

Perhaps OP was a genuine question, but it was hijacked and sacrificed at the altar of Calvinism.

Unsubscribing as I hate to see the followers of Christ at their worst.

Actually, a lie would be claiming that one spent years trying to understand someones views and then completely misrepresenting those views.

 

[phoenixdem]

Thank you very much! this is exactly what I have brought up around here time and time again only to have that idea rejected and curb stomped! Because after all what do I know? im only some stupid nut on the internet who doesnt know the first thing about the soverienty of God.

Are you being a little sensitive?

 

[Hammster]

To me this whole issue is like one side argueing the glass is half empty, and the other side the glass is half full............the truth is both sides are correct.......most of the arguement is simply not understanding God is timeless, where He sits there is no time, He has no beginning or end, that means for God time doesn't exist, It only exist to the point we understand it, in a linear line. In the final Judgement will all be saved?, no we see from scripture many are called few are chosen. even if Christ died for all, it doesn't matter because we already know many will reject His offer. as we also see some of the called, are not chosen

If you think that's the issue then you are ignorant of the arguments.

 

[Robs07M6S]

Are you being a little sensitive?

I very well may be and rightfully so at this point.

 

[Robs07M6S]

Actually, a lie would be claiming that one spent years trying to understand someones views and then completely misrepresenting those views.

How do you know that she lied when she claimed to have spent years trying to understand?

 

[Hammster]

How do you know that she lied when she claimed to have spent years trying to understand?

She may have. If so, she lied about Calvinism. Either way..,.

 

[Robs07M6S]

She may have. If so, she lied about Calvinism. Either way..,.

Or she may have simply misunderstood it and in such a case misrepresented it.

 

[twin1954]

Amen!

I promised the other side of the fence. This sort of thing is not isolated to attack on Calvinists. Here are two recent ones on the Semper Reformada sub-forum, not to me personally.

"Is the god of the Arminain God? Not at all. The pygmy god of Arminianism is a figment of men's imaginations and is no more able to save than a knat can. Does God desire anything that He can't have? The Arminian god does. Is there anything God wants that He can't bring about? That is the god of Arminianism.

"Calling an Arminian brother isn’t being compassionate toward their error it is assenting to their heresy. If you believe that they are saved then why even try to show them Calvinism?"

The following ones were directed at me in several posts from a well-known Calvinist on the Soteriology sub-forum, but not on the Baptist sub-forum. It was on a thread I started called “verses supporting predestination & election, verses supporting man's responsibility.” It got the attention of the resident attack dog…

"another person who has come here to combat a perceived theological bent out of some kind of paranoia."

"Patronizing."

"paranoia,… antagonization."

"we will see if true colors come out for all to see."

"no grand Illuminati strategy".

"hyper-Calvinist theologians are not hiding under your bed or in your closet."

"put away the tin-foil hat for a moment".

"the monsters are not out to get you.

"No, rather, I think this is more paranoia talking."

"Tell the little birds whispering in your ear to fly away."

"How about some substance now so what you really believe can come out in the open."

"If your conduct and few posts with substance are any indication, it is becoming quite clear what your true colors."

“This kind of self-righteousness is nauseating to me.”

I need to point out that these are two of the more belligerent 5-pointers out there, and not typical of those I’ve known generally on here.

Bella,

One thing that's curious to me. Why do you identify yourself to others as Calvinist?

In 30+ years as a believer, until I came onto CF I've never had more than a couple of encounters with fellow brothers and sisters where I felt the need to identify myself as such or where they did so either. Doctrinal discussions in the myriads, but never the label thrown out there. It many times became obvious where one stood, but generally Christians don't in my experience feel the need to identify themselves with the label of either Calvinist or Arminian.

Just wondering...

If you are going to quote me then give me the credit. But I also expect you to make sure that the context of my statements are understood. I stand behinds my statements but they are not to be thrown out willy nilly without context. Which is exactly what you have done here. You put on a great show but when it actually comes down to it you are willing to use dishonest tactics such as this.

 

[Hammster]

Or she may have simply misunderstood it and in such a case misrepresented it.

And that was my point from the beginning.

 

[Robs07M6S]

And that was my point from the beginning.

And my point is that you can misrepresent something unintentionally. If she did it on purpose in spite of knowing the truth then it would be a lie.

 

[cimbk]

If you think that's the issue then you are ignorant of the arguments.

To be sure I am probably the most ignorant man here, But from what criteria do you base ignorance, Let me ask you a simple question, is it biblical to call yourself a "Calvinist" as one poster put it he found no need to call himself either yet hold to some of the beliefs, I would imagine half of the debate could be removed if the Calvinist sect would simply acknowledge according to scripture we are not to label ourselves as "I follow Paul, or I follow Cephus", or I follow Calvin, this is at the threshhold of your error, Its the first step in returning to a biblically based foundation, If you can't do that, and adhear to the simple teachings, how will anyone believe your not in error when you go on to the deeper things of God......such as your flower thingy

 

[twin1954]

To be sure I am probably the most ignorant man here, But from what criteria do you base ignorance, Let me ask you a simple question, is it biblical to call yourself a "Calvinist" as one poster put it he found no need to call himself either yet hold to some of the beliefs, I would imagine half of the debate could be removed if the Calvinist sect would simply acknowledge according to scripture we are not to label ourselves as "I follow Paul, or I follow Cephus", or I follow Calvin, this is at the threshhold of your error, Its the first step in returning to a biblically based foundation, If you can't do that, and adhear to the simple teachings, how will anyone believe your not in error when you go on to the deeper things of God......such as your flower thingy

I don't think you are ignorant I think you know that the label Calvinist has nothing to do with following a man but is simply used in order to quickly let folks know where you stand on Biblical issues. The argument that we follow a man is a red herring. Most Calvinists hold their theology because it is Scriptural not because a man taught it. We follow the teaching of the Scriptures as a whole not just a few prooftexts taken out of context to supporet a false elevation of man's will.

 

[Robs07M6S]

To be sure I am probably the most ignorant man here, But from what criteria do you base ignorance, Let me ask you a simple question, is it biblical to call yourself a "Calvinist" as one poster put it he found no need to call himself either yet hold to some of the beliefs, I would imagine half of the debate could be removed if the Calvinist sect would simply acknowledge according to scripture we are not to label ourselves as "I follow Paul, or I follow Cephus", or I follow Calvin, this is at the threshhold of your error, Its the first step in returning to a biblically based foundation, If you can't do that, and adhear to the simple teachings, how will anyone believe your not in error when you go on to the deeper things of God......such as your flower thingy

I fully agree, you are either a calvinist or your not. This whole 3 point 4 point or even 4 1/2 point stuff is obsured. The fact that someone cannot adhere to all 5 points shows what they really believe in regards to calvinism.

 

[Isatis]

Some Famous Calvinists

C.H. Spurgeon was a Calvinist and is called the "Prince of Preachers." Just about every sermon he peached, he went to the cross.

Evangelism Explosion was created by Dr. James Kennedy who was a Calvinist. Many Arminians use his course.

William Carey known as the father of modern missions was a Calvinist.

John Bunyan, author of Pilgrims Progress, was a Calvinist.

Evangelist George Whitefield was a Calvinist.

Matthew Henry, the famous Bible commentator was a Calvinist.

Approx 14 of the 50 or so members of the KJV translation committee were Calvinists.

Some of the founding fathers were Calvinists, including 12 signers of the Declaration of Independence and 12 signers of the U.S. Constitution were Presbyterians/Calvinists.

Approx 9 former U.S. Presidents and 12 former Vice-Presidents were Presbyterians, i.e. Calvinists.

And lets not forget the Pilgrims and the Puritans were Calvinists.



Sounds like you are in good company

John MacArthur
Grace to You
Answering the Key Questions About the Doctrine of Election

i agree alot with Calvin, but i will not label myself a Calvinist. the word of God was around way before Calvin was. I prefer and love the title Christian its enough for me, and I'm very thankful for it.

I am not calvinist and can't say that I "agree a lot with him" because I don't know much about him, but I do believe that Pastor MacArthur, who is theologically a Calvinist, is one of the finest theologians and expositors of the 21st century

 

[Hammster]

And my point is that you can misrepresent something unintentionally. If she did it on purpose in spite of knowing the truth then it would be a lie.

I agree.

 

[Hammster]

To be sure I am probably the most ignorant man here, But from what criteria do you base ignorance, Let me ask you a simple question, is it biblical to call yourself a "Calvinist" as one poster put it he found no need to call himself either yet hold to some of the beliefs, I would imagine half of the debate could be removed if the Calvinist sect would simply acknowledge according to scripture we are not to label ourselves as "I follow Paul, or I follow Cephus", or I follow Calvin, this is at the threshhold of your error, Its the first step in returning to a biblically based foundation, If you can't do that, and adhear to the simple teachings, how will anyone believe your not in error when you go on to the deeper things of God......such as your flower thingy

I challenge you to find one Calvinist who says "I follow Calvin". I certainly don't. In fact, I have intentionally not read much of Calvin.

 

[twin1954]

I challenge you to find one Calvinist who says "I follow Calvin". I certainly don't. In fact, I have intentionally not read much of Calvin.

In all fairness, there are those who quote the confessions and Calvin before they ever do the Scriptures.

 

[VCViking]

No, I didn't forget to answer the question, I answered the question, if the Bible is correct then all men are liars, you forgot that I am on the side that believes all means all and whosoever means exactly whosoever!

Do you go to a church? Does this church have Pastors, Elders, Deacons?

That is my question that you did not answer.