Why do other Christians hate Calvinist so much?

[phoenixdem]

And my point was that you all jumped on Dean as though he were judging their eternal state but he wasn't. He was using them to make a point.

Ok, I will not jump on Dean. Repeat to myself...I will not jump on Dean.

 

[Hupomone10]

""He cannot do that in every individual case and remain righteous, or He would. "

Why not?

Because whatever God does, it is done in perfect righteousness; since God does not desire any to perish but all to come to repentance, and Christ died for the sins of the world, for all, (2 Cor 5:15, Rom. 5:18; 1 John 2:2; 1 Tim. 2:6), then it must be in accord with perfect righteousness that this is the situation.

Beyond that, I think Skala's response to me, which is pretty good, exactly applies and answers your question here:

God does not want to act illogically. Logic (truth) flows from God who is the source of all truth. A square is a square because logically, it is a square. It cannot be a circle and a square at the same time, that is not logical. And God, who is logical, does not want to be illogical

 

[German Guy]

question. My brother-in-laws wife is dying of cancer, she never accepted Christ nor does she want to. (That scares me) She was never around believers and living here in Germany her only contact to any church or religion is catholisism. If she had lived in another place and grew up around grounded christians, do you think she may have accepted Jesus. Or would it not have made any difference? (Purely hypothetical) No right or wrong answer.

 

[Hupomone10]

I must come to my dear brothers defense.

Although we do disagree sometimes, there is no single person here whose opinion I value more or trust.

I have fought beside my brother one more than one occasion here in the Baptist area from many Arminians who come here to start debates based on faulty arguments.

And all that in just 6 months. Wow!

Just curious, you talk like you've known him a long time on here. He’s only got 243 posts and joined 6 months ago. How is it you have fought beside him so much here in the Baptist forum against Arminians? Is he a former CF post-er with a different name or are you just referring to the last few months?

Thanks and blessings,
H.

 

[Skala]

Because whatever God does, it is done in perfect righteousness; since God does not desire any to perish but all to come to repentance, and Christ died for the sins of the world, for all, (2 Cor 5:15, Rom. 5:18; 1 John 2:2; 1 Tim. 2:6), then it must be in accord with perfect righteousness that this is the situation.

Hey brother, could you go into theological detail on a few things?

In what sense (important key words) are the following true:

1) God does not desire any to perish but all to come to repentance
2) Christ died for the sins of the world, for all

Thanks in advance for your answers. If you feel another thread is necessary, I understand.

I would greatly like to challenge your viewpoints on these statements and perhaps get some good discussion out there.

 

[twin1954]

And all that in just 6 months. Wow!

Just curious, you talk like you've known him a long time on here. He’s only got 243 posts and joined 6 months ago. How is it you have fought beside him so much here in the Baptist forum against Arminians? Is he a former CF post-er with a different name or are you just referring to the last few months?

Thanks and blessings,
H.

Why the personal war? For the most part I have left you alone and participate in the Calvinist Arminian debate sparingly. Do you fear my voice so much that you want me removed?

 

[Hammster]

That's easy to say if you're one of the elect.

And you wouldn't even care if you weren't.

 

[His_disciple3]

Hey brother, could you go into theological detail on a few things?

In what sense (important key words) are the following true:

1) God does not desire any to perish but all to come to repentance
2) Christ died for the sins of the world, for all

Thanks in advance for your answers. If you feel another thread is necessary, I understand.

I would greatly like to challenge your viewpoints on these statements and perhaps get some good discussion out there.

I am not a calvinist but your answer is what i have been saying That I have a problem with "ALL" don't mean "ALL" and "WORLD" don't mean "WORLD" according to the calvinist for you see that is the only way they can get cavinism to line up with scriptures is that calvinism is true but scriptures don't say what they mean. but of course they have the truth!!

 

[Hammster]

I'd say that many are called but few are chosen



In all seriousness I am not sure that parable has anything to do with election, but the manner at which we come to God.

Everyone was invited to the feast, and of the ones that showed up, if anyone was not dressed in the proper attire, they were cast out. In like manner if one comes to God without being clothed in Christ's righteousness, he is cast out. He did not come before the Lord clothed properly. If anyone enters in by any other door than Christ, he is a thief and a robber. Christ is the only way to the Father.

What are your thoughts on the parable brother?

If you read it carefully, I think it addresses effectual calling. The ones who are at the feast properly had to be gathered.

 

[Hammster]

I am not a calvinist but your answer is what i have been saying That I have a problem with "ALL" don't mean "ALL" and "WORLD" don't mean "WORLD" according to the calvinist for you see that is the only way they can get cavinism to line up with scriptures is that calvinism is true but scriptures don't say what they mean. but of course they have the truth!!

Are you aware that in the Gospel of John he uses 'world' in at least 12 different ways?

 

[His_disciple3]

Are you aware that in the Gospel of John he uses 'world' in at least 12 different ways?

are you aware that John said in 1 john the Whole World, I think that sums up what world Jesus died for!!

 

[Skala]

I am not a calvinist but your answer is what i have been saying That I have a problem with "ALL" don't mean "ALL" and "WORLD" don't mean "WORLD" according to the calvinist for you see that is the only way they can get cavinism to line up with scriptures is that calvinism is true but scriptures don't say what they mean. but of course they have the truth!!

All DOES mean "all" and world DOES mean "world".

But the fact is, "all" has more than one definition, and "world" has around 10 definitions.

Are you ignorant of this fact? It seems the burden of proof is on you to prove that "all" and "world" only has one definition, when the Greek concordance proves the opposite. It seems the person who denies these facts is either ignorant or purposely ignoring it.

Who is more deceptive and guilty of twisting the meaning of words? The person who insists that these words have less definitions than they actually have, or the person who acknowledges the truth that they have several definitions according to the Greek dictionary?

 

[His_disciple3]

And my point was that you all jumped on Dean as though he were judging their eternal state but he wasn't. He was using them to make a point.

and my pointis that the post he was referring to also he said that it didn't show that they had ever repented so if you don't repent where does scriptures say you will go, also he used the word reprobate, I think it was plain what he implied

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Originally Posted by greatdivide46

What a strange god who creates people and then wants to destroy them -- or at least doesn't want them to be with him.
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Originally Posted by German Guy

did you just say the damn-nation of a persons soul serves a greater purpose? [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]!!!
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Let me see if I can answer both here.

In Exodus, we read of Pharoah.

Several times all though the contests with Pharoah, he says:

"Who is the LORD, that I should obey his voice to let Israel go? I know not the LORD, neither will I let Israel go." -Ex. 5:2 (KJV)

Paul says:

"For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth." -Rom. 9:17 (KJV)

God raised Pharoah just for the expressed purpose that His power, His glory, would be declared though Pharoah. The same principle applies to Nebucadnezzar, the same with Cyrus.

Is there any scriptural proof that Pharoah, Nebucadnezzar, or even Cyrus repented or were saved?

We don't always know the purpose other than in some way, God power, majesty, glory is made manifest in the reprobate.

That is as plain as I can make it.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[Hammster]

are you aware that John said in 1 john the Whole World, I think that sums up what world Jesus died for!!

Did he die for the stars? Rocks? Pulsars?

 

[faceofbear]

I just want to point out, not to argue, but in justification of the Calvinist view of world not meaning world: there are early Christian writings which world clearly does not mean world. I have read instances which say G-D has granted repentance to the whole world. I believe this is found in first Clement.

 

[Skala]

I just want to point out, not to argue, but in justification of the Calvinist view of world not meaning world: there are early Christian writings which world clearly does not mean world. I have read instances which say G-D has granted repentance to the whole world. I believe this is found in first Clement.

Thank you for this brother, but not a single Calvinist has ever argued that "world" doesn't mean "world".

World always means world.

But world has around 10 definitions.

That's the part our brothers here seem to either forget or purposely lie about.

 

[faceofbear]

7:4 Let us look steadfastly to the blood of Christ, and see how precious in the sight of God is his blood, which having been poured out for our salvation, brought to the whole world the grace of repentance.

Unless, of course, he means they have the opportunity to repent.

 

[faceofbear]

7:4 Let us look steadfastly to the blood of Christ, and see how precious in the sight of God is his blood, which having been poured out for our salvation, brought to the whole world the grace of repentance.

Unless, of course, he means they have the opportunity to repent.

 

[Robs07M6S]

7:4 Let us look steadfastly to the blood of Christ, and see how precious in the sight of God is his blood, which having been poured out for our salvation, brought to the whole world the grace of repentance.

Unless, of course, he means they have the opportunity to repent.

I tend to go in the direction meaning that they have the opportunity to repent in which some do repent and others choose not to repent and instead harden their hearts.

Feel free to show me if this is wrong but show me from scripture, it will not hurt my feelings.

 

[Robs07M6S]

and if we were in the same room and face of a bear actually had a face of a bear who would argue with him?

LOL.