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Why do I still age if I haven`t done anything wrong?

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Maybe we are Human ver.7.11, and they are ver.5.0.
Are you suggesting that in order to fit a being into a different creation, that hybrids were made, just as we would have to do with our present form, in order to to adapt to life on Mars?
 
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Are you suggesting that in order to fit a being into a different creation, that hybrids were made, just as we would have to do with our present form, in order to to adapt to life on Mars?

Yes, but also I consider not only the environment in which an organism machine to survive, but also the purpose of the machine and the whole system of biological organisms in a world. A creator's purpose is unknown. So, it ppens doors to endless speculations, as evidenced by multiple religions and non-religious philosophies.

Hybridization, modification, brand new creation, whatever works and serves the purpose.

Laws that govern world are limited and fixed as it seems, so there is a finite number of solutions to a particular problem.
 
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The eyes and ears of a being of total expression in this present beta lifeform

Scares me to think about ut sometimes. We are often brainwashed into accepting an eternal happy end as one of the resulting options, but what if ther isn't a happy end and the future of God is in fact uncertain? Or that there's an active competition of sorts where we as part of a God can come to a defeat? Disappear, or dissplve in a bigger whole is one thing, not so bad maybe, but what if this piece of consciouseness retains its separatedness and self-consciouseness?? That would be truly terrible.
 
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As in any beta version the chaffe is separated from the grain.

Beta not only in physical characteristics - max length of life etc, but in metaphysical too. Many more versions perhaps than we're used to thinking
 
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Many more versions perhaps than we're used to thinking
Religion has kept us in the old world and possibly redefined what Jesus meant when He said He was one with God. Material thinkers should never be put in charge of spiritual matters.
 
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The doctrine of the Resurrection is a bit nuanced. The only example of resurrection we have is Jesus, and we know that Jesus rose with the same body He had prior. That's why the tomb was empty. Jesus was able to show the wounds of His crucifixion to His followers.

So yes, these bodies are what are raised up. But resurrection doesn't mean this body, as it is, forever. St. Paul likens it to planting a seed in the ground, when you plant a seed it "dies" but rises to become something more than it was. An acorn grows into an oak tree, and the oak tree is far more glorious than the little acorn. There is a continuity between the acorn and the oak tree though, you don't plant an acorn and then get an apple tree.

So the body is "sown" in its present state: mortal, corruptible (that is, able to age, get sick, decay, rot) but it is raised immortal and incorruptible. It is "sown" in dishonor and raised in honor.

St. Paul then uses two words that can easily be misunderstood, he says that the body is "sown" (and I'll quote the Greek here) a soma psuchekon, but it is raised a soma pneumatikon. Translated, it is "sown" a "soulish body" but it is raised a "spiritual body". These terms Paul uses, "soulish" and "spiritual" are sometimes misunderstood as though to mean "physical" and "spiritual", but that's not what they mean. They are not about what the body is composed of materially--that is, the matter which makes up the body--but rather the kind of quality, or state, or life which the body has. It's like saying there are "row boats" and there are "steam boats". A row boat is not a boat made out of rows (that wouldn't make any sense), just as a steam boat isn't a boat made out of steam (again, that makes no sense). Rather a row boat is a boat which is powered, moved, by rowing; just as a steam boat is a boat which powered, moved, by a steam engine. So, like this, the difference between the present "soulish body" and the future "spiritual body" is the kind of existence the body has. The present body is "soulish", it is animal, dependent upon appetite and desire, its life is a mortal, corruptible life--it requires sustenance, it gets sick, it is weak, it gets old, it dies. But the future body is "spiritual", that is, it has been given life by the Holy Spirit, it is glorified, it is transformed, it cannot suffer, it cannot get weak, it cannot get sick, it cannot perish.

Resurrection means that the body becomes more than what it is now. Better than what it is now. We don't become less human, we become more human.

Think of it this way, in a very real sense you are just a shadow of yourself. There is so much more to you that could be, but isn't, because of sin, because of death, because of the weakness of your flesh, because of the limitations imposed by the suffering, struggle, and mortality of this life. In the resurrection you don't become less you, you become more you. You become the you that can exist because of the the perfection and glory of God in Jesus Christ. A you whose identity is rooted not in your mere animal desire which leads to suffering and pain and death; but a you rooted in the Jesus Christ who came to bring healing and renewal to all of creation, and to share in that healing and renewal of all creation.

The perishing, the temporal, the vain things of this life which have no permanence they don't matter. The power, the glory, the things we think are so important about this present life are really, and in truth, empty things. What does it matter if one is rich now? Money has no permanence, wealth is fleeting, it is all moth and rust. What does it matter if you are a king, or the billionaire CEO of a major corporation. What does it matter that you are famous, or successful in finances, or that you managed to find some kind of "popularity" in this life. All these things are fleeting, from dust you came and to dust you shall return.

That is why all these things, they don't matter. These treasures here, they're all meaningless vanities. There are true treasures in this life, but they aren't things, they aren't objects, they aren't status, or position, or tokens of wealth or success. The treasures here are the relationships we make with our fellow human beings, the bonds and friendships we have. The time and the resources we spent loving others. The kindness we showed other people. The hug we gave to a friend who was in pain. The small gift we gave to the beggar who needed food. These are our treasures, these are the things from this life that will have meaning in the next. For all which is truly good will never perish or pass away. All which has true substance, and real meaning, is eternal, because in Christ all which is truly good is purposed and destined to last. That is why we believe in the resurrection, in the life of the world to come.

-CryptoLutheran
I hope my spiritual body is just a couple inches taller... ^_^ But I guess I won't even care at that point. I do wonder about age, though... Perhaps a slight difference in appearance is why Jesus was mistaken for the gardener by Mary at first?

When loved ones die or friendships end too soon it really causes me to see why eternity could be very practical. I used to think at some point I'd finally get tired of living or something. ^_^ However, there are so many people who still had so many plans and dreams and potential who never got to see any of it happen. And there are so many relationships that were going so strong and well until someone was pulled far away or died suddenly. I feel like I could spend at least a thousand years completing my own current ideas and visions... And if we could pursue those dreams whilst worshiping God and (I personally hope) exploring a new world of undiscovered lands and plants and animals... Well, who would want that to end? I think it would only keep getting better and more beautiful the longer we'd be there. We would keep discovering greater and greater depths of intricacy in everything around us revealing just how infinite and powerful God is. Time will pass by so quickly, but there will be no end. So it will be like living at the speed of light without missing a thing.

Anyway... I agree with all you said. :p
 
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Well, I guess I`m aging like everyone else even though I can`t really say I have done anything wrong to anyone or something and I`m not denying god or jesus ether, so I still age and die and lose my body I have now?

Romans 5:12-20
 
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