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News flash. Science does not equal reality. Science is only the study of the physical world.
You're asking the wrong person. I have no problems with science or geology for that matter. I DO know the limitations of science. I also know that God created a mature planet. He created trees bearing fruit. If it takes 5 years for a fruit tree to begin to bear fruit, and trees bearing fruit were created on day three, how old were the trees when they were created?And then we found them and they're not unknown anymore. Who helped out with that?
So? it was invented by creationists.
Are creationists off-limits to coining phrases?
(And please be aware that I consider TEs as creationists also.)
You're asking the wrong person. I have no problems with science or geology for that matter. I DO know the limitations of science. I also know that God created a mature planet. He created trees bearing fruit. If it takes 5 years for a fruit tree to begin to bear fruit, and trees bearing fruit were created on day three, how old were the trees when they were created?
If the planet cooled and solidified into rock and water on day one, how old were the rocks?
If a star is 100 light years away and on day four it was created with its light shining on the earth, how old was it?
Science cannot answer these questions because sceince cannot account for supernatural creation or any supernatural happening. Miracles occur outside of the realm of science. That doesn't invalidate either science or the miracle.
"Embedded age" and "appearance of age" is a myth based upon tradition, not scripture. And Genesis 1 talks about six YOM when God COMMANDED the universe to produce various things. Just because God ordered the development of plant life on YOM #3 does NOT mean that all of that growth and development took place in a single YOM! Do you believe that God created YOU? Did he created you EX NIHILO and in an instant? Or did it involve many processes over long periods of time? CREATION DOES NOT PRECLUDE PROCESSES!
God is unencumbered by time but he created a universe which IS bounded by time. God's six creative YOM of Genesis 1 accomplished all of earth's creation and history but that doesn't mean it was all COMPLETED in each 24 hour day!
(And by the way, if literal interpretation is crucial, "the evening and the morning" describes a single NIGHT! Not a 24 hour day! See the problems with "literal"??!)
Please keep that in mind the next time you hear something about a global flood.
As I said here:
... embedded age is not about science.
You're asking the wrong person.
I have no problems with science or geology for that matter. I DO know the limitations of science.
I also know that God created a mature planet. He created trees bearing fruit. If it takes 5 years for a fruit tree to begin to bear fruit, and trees bearing fruit were created on day three, how old were the trees when they were created?
If the planet cooled and solidified into rock and water on day one, how old were the rocks?
If a star is 100 light years away and on day four it was created with its light shining on the earth, how old was it?
Science cannot answer these questions because sceince cannot account for supernatural creation or any supernatural happening.
Miracles occur outside of the realm of science. That doesn't invalidate either science or the miracle.
Please don't lie. It's unbecomming and wrong.News flash: Science is the study of God's creation. God's Creation is REAL. God's creation and the study of that creation is REALITY.
I'm beginning to see why you oppose so much of the Biblical teaching on this Christian Forums. You have a low regard for God's creation.
Exodus 20:11
For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
How often is the Sabbath observed?
You are misrepresenting the Bible. It NEVER SAYS that. It specifically states that the evening and the morning were the __ day. When Yowm is used with an integer it ALWAYS means one callendar day. When evening and morning are used together, it ALWAYS meand one callendar day. Exodus 20:11 states that in six days God created the world and on the seventh day He rested. It's the basis of the Forth Commandment."Embedded age" and "appearance of age" is a myth based upon tradition, not scripture. And Genesis 1 talks about six YOM when God COMMANDED the universe to produce various things. Just because God ordered the development of plant life on YOM #3 does NOT mean that all of that growth and development took place in a single YOM! Do you believe that God created YOU? Did he created you EX NIHILO and in an instant? Or did it involve many processes over long periods of time? CREATION DOES NOT PRECLUDE PROCESSES!
It doesn't state the hours, but it very specifically indicates one rotation of the earth.God is unencumbered by time but he created a universe which IS bounded by time. God's six creative YOM of Genesis 1 accomplished all of earth's creation and history but that doesn't mean it was all COMPLETED in each 24 hour day!
You DO relaize that six single nights also mean six single days, right? From your post it sounds as if there is some difference. The evening and the morning happened AFTER the descrition of the creation that took place that day.(And by the way, if literal interpretation is crucial, "the evening and the morning" describes a single NIGHT! Not a 24 hour day! See the problems with "literal"??!)
I have no problems with science or geology for that matter.
I DO know the limitations of science.
I also know that God created a mature planet.
He created trees bearing fruit. If it takes 5 years for a fruit tree to begin to bear fruit, and trees bearing fruit were created on day three, how old were the trees when they were created?
If the planet cooled and solidified into rock and water on day one, how old were the rocks?
If a star is 100 light years away and on day four it was created with its light shining on the earth, how old was it?
Science cannot answer these questions because sceince cannot account for supernatural creation or any supernatural happening. Miracles occur outside of the realm of science. That doesn't invalidate either science or the miracle.
Or so you hope.II can't stress this enough -- the supernaturalists have an absolutely perfect record of failure -- they have never been right once.
When Yowm is used with an integer it ALWAYS means one callendar day. .
NO. There is no such "rule" in Hebrew.
In fact, your claim doesn't even apply to the Hebrew text of the Bible. (Even young earth creationist scholars admit that Hosea 6:2 contradicts your "rule.")
I'm willing to bet money that you are not fluent in Biblical Hebrew and are simply repeating this nonexistent "rule" after finding it on a creationist website. (If you did know Hebrew, you wouldn't have made this mistake nor would you have overlooked Hosea 6:2.)
YOM usually deals with 24 hour days because the Bible focuses mainly on human events and not geologica ages. So it is hardly surprising that the Bible usually deals in 24hour YOM rather than the long-epoch types of YOM.
All of this is just common sense linguistics. And I will gamble to say that you have zero experience in Biblical linguistics.
Just so we are clear.When Yowm is used with an integer it ALWAYS means one callendar day. .
NO. There is no such "rule" in Hebrew.
We know that the six days of creation were separated by one evening and one morning.
We know that the one day followed by one evening and one morning constitutes a day.
We read in Hebrews 20:11 "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath."
We know that Hosea 6 has nothing to do with Creation.
1 Come, and let us return to the Lord;
For He has torn, but He will heal us;
He has stricken, but He will bind us up.
2 After two days He will revive us;
On the third day He will raise us up,
That we may live in His sight.
3 Let us know,
Let us pursue the knowledge of the Lord.
His going forth is established as the morning;
He will come to us like the rain,
Like the latter and former rain to the earth.
So for the record. In your opinion, how long were the days of creation?
Or so you hope.
You can deny the 6,000 + year history of man's interaction with God. It doesn't make it not so.
You can deny that God exists. It doesn't make it not so.
You can deny that Jesus, the son of God, became man and was crucified for the forgiveness of sin. It doesn't make it not so.
You can deny the existence of angels or demons, but all who have had experiences with either will think you foolish.
The fact is, you believe that there is nothing else. Sooner or later you'll die. If you're right you're dead. If you're wrong you're damned.
You'd better be right.
Just so we are clear.
We know that Hosea 6 has nothing to do with Creation.
The use of a number with the word "day" is very illuminating. This combination occurs 357 times outside of Genesis 1. The combination is used in four different ways, but each time it is used, it must mean 24-hour periods of time. If the combinations had been intended to mean long periods of time, both the texts and contexts then become meaningless. A typical verse is Genesis 30:36: "And he (Laban) set three days journey betwixt himself and Jacob." God frequently issued commands that the people were to do or not to do certain things on a given day. This use occurs 162 times. A good example is Exodus 24:16: "And the glory of the Lord abode upon Mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it six days, and on the seventh day He called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud." These are the most typical uses of the word "day" with a number.Just so we are clear -- you completely ignored her correcting your bad Hebrew.
If the meaning of the word "day" with a number always means a 24-hour period of time outside of Genesis 1, then it should also mean a 24-hour period of time inside Genesis 1.
Obviously, Hosea 6 doesn't HAVE to deal with creation. I was responding to your false claim that there was an alleged "rule" in Hebrew demanding that an ordinal number with YOM demanded a 24hour-day as its translation.
So you're saying he knows better?My husband who you wanted to consult is a Bible translator trained in both fields.
Please describe my "type" so I don't take your comment as a personal flame.Plus, he likes to heed the admonitions of the Book of Proverbs concerning dealing with your "type".
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