Why do creationists insist that the theory of evolution is inherently atheistic?

[Subduction Zone]

Because the knowledge of right and wrong is a human concept, dating back to the Garden of Eden. Animals have no such knowledge.{/quote]

So says a man who has never owned a pet.

No, right and wrong is a learned concept. It is not innate. There may be some instinctual elements of right and wrong, but then we are back to other animals that have similar behavior.

Deliberate falsehood.

No, demonstrable truth. For example atheists are underrepresented in prisons as a percentage of population.

Logically, there is no right and wrong; only what is benificial and detrimental.

No, we've had that knowlege since Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit.

Again no. Adam and Eve are a myth. If you want to claim them you need evidence for their existence. All scientific evidence says that they never existed.

Deliberate falsehood. The Bible acknowledges slavery as something men to to others, but Christ never had any slaves.

No, deliberate truth. Do you want the verses that support slavery? There are quite a few of them.

And major logic fail. I never said that Jesus had slaves. What does that have to do with the subject. Since Jesus never had children should everyone stop having children too?

 

[OllieFranz]

Actually, Hitler thought the Jews were an inferior, less evolved race. He also thought that the further east you went, the less human the people were. Hitler considered the Japanese no better than promates, but they served his purpose. So evolution, not atheism, is more the driving force for Hitler.

Hitler's racism was based in eugenics, not in evolution. He, like many other nominal Christians, considered evolution to be a lie.

 

[OllieFranz]

No, Social Darwinism, a sociological error and misunderstanding, is what fueled the Fuhrer.

"Social Darwinism" predates Darwin by almost a century. The deep basics were based on emperical evidence, but some of the later additions were fueled as much by preconceptions as by observation. And once racists got ahold of it and combined it with their version of eugenics, it became ripe for fascist and "socialist" governments to exploit.

 

[KWCrazy]

He never denied his Christianity.

Many historians say that Hitler had a general covert plan, which some say existed even before the Nazis' rise to power, to destroy Christianity within the Reich, which was to be accomplished through control and subversion of the churches and to be completed after the war.
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Hitler eschewed everything relating to Hebrew, especially the Christian God. His parents were catholic, but he rejected Catholicism.

And since Hitler did not seem to believe the theory of evolution you cannot claim that he thought races were "less evolved".

Nature . . . puts living creatures on this globe and watches the free play of forces. She then confers the master's right on her favourite child, the strongest in courage and industry . . . The stronger must dominate and not blend with the weaker, thus sacrificing his own greatness. Only the born weakling can view this as cruel.
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf

Blood mixture and the result drop in the racial level is the sole cause of the dying out of old cultures; for men do not perish as a result of lost wars, but by the loss of that force of resistance which is continued only in pure blood. All who are not of good race in this world are chaff.
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf

A folkish state must therefore begin by raising marriage from the level of a continuous defilement of the race, and give it the consecration of an institution which is called upon to produce images of the Lord and not monstrosities halfway between man and ape.
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf

“Darwinism by itself did not produce the Holocaust, but without Darwinism... neither Hitler nor his Nazi followers would have had the necessary scientific underpinnings to convince themselves and their collaborators that one of the worlds greatest atrocities was really morally praiseworthy.”
― Richard Weikart, From Darwin to Hitler: Evolutionary Ethics, Eugenics, and Racism in Germany

Hitler had no belief in religion other than as a means to control the masses. His religion was based in hatred, not love. If anything his views on religion were the very embodiment of evil. He was NOT an atheist. He believed that God was real but that Aryans had evolved above all races.

If you are going to make the error of attaching the deaths that occurred during Stalin's reign to atheism then you must attach Hitler's deaths to Christianity, no matter how much you think that he was not a Christian.

If Jesus was the King of the Jews and Hitler hated all Jews, how was he a Christian? Nothing he ever said aligned itself with the teachings of ANY church.

However...
He WAS a believer in evolution; at least his own version of it.

It's true that Hitler hardly ever mentioned Darwin by name (the only direct mention of Darwin I have been able to find is an account by a colleague Wagener).

First, Hitler hardly ever named thinkers from whom he derived ideas. I think this was because he wanted to appear like an original thinker (which he wasn't). Secondly, we have no evidence that Hitler ever read Darwin, so he probably imbibed evolutionary ideas via school, contemporary books, and especially journals and newspapers. I discuss this in my book, From Darwin to Hitler, and will discuss it further in my forthcoming book.

Concerning whether Hitler's ideas were Darwinian: Hitler believed that population pressure causes a struggle for existence between organisms that leads to evolutionary progress. He also believed that this struggle occurred between human races. This is completely Darwinian (yes, Darwin did use the rhetoric of progress), and Hitler often described evolution in Darwinian terms. Also, like Darwin, Galton, and many Darwinists of his day, Hitler believed that intellectual and moral traits are heritable
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[Subduction Zone]

Sorry, you can claim all the research that you want into people who tried to read Hitler's mind.

All we can go by are his statements and he never denied his Christianity. He was a Catholic and even in the 1940's he said that he always was and always would be a Catholic.

Yes, Hitler had strange beliefs. There were not based upon the theory of evolution and were quite different from it. The works of Darwin were on his burn list. Nuff said.

 

[KWCrazy]

So says a man who has never owned a pet.

Foolish assumption. I've owned a number of pets. None of them could discern between good and evil no matter how much theology I explained to them.

No, right and wrong is a learned concept. It is not innate.

No, the CONSEQUENCE of right and wrong is learned. Man knows right from wrong. Morality, is the basis of all law.

No, demonstrable truth. For example atheists are underrepresented in prisons as a percentage of population.

And blacks (or African Americans if you prefer) are over-represented.
78% of Americans call themselves Christian and 3% of Americans are in prison.
You DO KNOW there are no atheists in foxholes, right?

Again no. Adam and Eve are a myth. If you want to claim them you need evidence for their existence.

God said it, Jesus mentioned them, that's all the evidence I need.

All scientific evidence says that they never existed.

You can't find scientific evidence that most of the people who have ever walked the earth have lived. Your point?

No, deliberate truth. Do you want the verses that support slavery? There are quite a few of them.

There is evidence of every evil if you look hard enough. Show me where Jesus ever owned a slave, bought a slave or used a peson as a slave.

And major logic fail. I never said that Jesus had slaves. What does that have to do with the subject.

Christian mean "of Christ." You can't point to something that Jesus did not condone and call it a part of Christianity.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Foolish assumption. I've owned a number of pets. None of them could discern between good and evil no matter how much theology I explained to them.

Maybe not your definition of Good and Evil, they do know the meaning of right and wrong if you raise them right.

No, the CONSEQUENCE of right and wrong is learned. Man knows right from wrong. Morality, is the basis of all law.

Yes, people react to consequences. They learn morality. I am happy we agree.

And blacks (or African Americans if you prefer) are over-represented.

Yes, they are. So what?

78% of Americans call themselves Christian and 3% of Americans are in prison.
You DO KNOW there are no atheists in foxholes, right?

That is an extremely vile lie and should be reportable. Sadly it is not here.

God said it, Jesus mentioned them, that's all the evidence I need.

No, you have no evidence that God said anything. Yes, Jesus may have mentioned them, but he was just as uneducated as anyone else at his time of origins.

You can't find scientific evidence that most of the people who have ever walked the earth have lived. Your point?

Cheap dodge.

There is evidence of every evil if you look hard enough. Show me where Jesus ever owned a slave, bought a slave or used a peson as a slave.

Once again, I said that Jesus never owned a slave. He did still support slavery. You do not have to engage in a sin to support a sin.

Christian mean "of Christ." You can't point to something that Jesus did not condone and call it a part of Christianity.

And he condoned slavery.

So did you have a point there or not?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Deliberate falsehood. The Bible acknowledges slavery as something men to to others, but Christ never had any slaves.

Christ never owned anything except (literally) the clothes on his back. The man couldn't afford slaves.

 

[AV1611VET]

Christ never owned anything except (literally) the clothes on his back. The man couldn't afford slaves.

What happened to all that gold, frankincense and myrrh?

 

[ThouShaltNotPoe]

Concerning whether Hitler's ideas were Darwinian: Hitler believed that population pressure causes a struggle for existence between organisms that leads to evolutionary progress. He also believed that this struggle occurred between human races. This is completely Darwinian (yes, Darwin did use the rhetoric of progress), and Hitler often described evolution in Darwinian terms. Also, like Darwin, Galton, and many Darwinists of his day, Hitler believed that intellectual and moral traits are heritable
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In other words, you are saying that Hitler believed in the same competition dynamics among living things that everyone believed centuries before Hitler. And you think Hitler secretly adopted Darwin's ideas even though they directly contradicted National Socialism.

But nevertheless, you plan to write books repeating the old myth that Hitler embraced Darwin's works despite burning them.

What rubbish.

 

[TLK Valentine]

What happened to all that gold, frankincense and myrrh?

If I had to guess, I'd say that like any other child celebrity, his parents frittered it away before he ever saw a dime.

Of course, my real answer is that it was part of a birth myth and was never there to begin with.

 

[ThouShaltNotPoe]

If I had to guess, I'd say that like any other child celebrity, his parents frittered it away before he ever saw a dime.

Of course, my real answer is that it was part of a birth myth and was never there to begin with.

Yes, I loved your tongue-in-cheek remark! Very funny. (One could also say that his brief stardom at age 12 impressing the learned scholars didn't launch a lasting career. For that we must wait till years later when he truly "hit it big" and "went on the road" in a three year nation-wide tour.)

Most likely the money from the scholars from the East allowed Joseph to move his family to Egypt, including the price of the donkey. In daily life they had probably used barter but to travel, one badly needs coins and small, valuable objects that are easy to trade for food and necessities in a variety of cultural settings en route. And in a new country an outsider cannot easily start work the next morning. One needs MONEY to survey as a "stranger" in another land. They couldn't depend on family in Egypt, so they would have needed money to renting housing from day one--- and to even buy a house in order to survive the years in Egypt.

Yes, the expensive gifts would not have been mere luxuries but absolutely essential for sustaining their daily existence. Travel was no easy option in those days. Leaving one's home community could mean starvation, especially for people who literally lived a day-by-day existence. That is, if one was LUCKY, one earned enough during a day's work to go to the marketplace that night or the next morning and buy ONE MEAL or perhaps TWO. Many many people would have routinely walked about with ZERO money in their pockets.