Why do Christians have trouble with accepting Evolution?

[Hoghead1]

Tell me, Exrraneous, if truth isn't relative how do you explain the number 6? It is larger than 5 and smaller than 7. Whether or not it is larger than or smaller than depends upon what it is compared to. So if relativism isn't true, how come we find this situation with the number 6?

 

[Hoghead1]

Well, Extraneous , if you were a member of the churches I have been affiliated with, your strident anti-evolutionary propaganda would have been seen as a major source of division. Also, the way you condemn fellow Christians here simply because they don't share your views is a major source of division and tension in this forum. The Bible says judge not, that you be no judged. You should pay attention to that. You should judge yourself before you turn on others. You are so busy trying to demean others that you fail to see major flaws in your own thinking.

 

[Hieronymus]

Im not being dismissive to your life. I am very where that the ToE for some Christians can feel threatening towards one faith that it should be dismissed as something evil.

It is dismissed because there is no evidence to support it.
So what makes you oppose creation?
You're not aware of the increasing strength of the case for creation?

I was in those shoes once (and still exist in the "world" where evolution is frowned upon by fellow christians)

Do they have good reasons to dismiss a naturalistic scenario?
Because that's what it is, that's what the 'scientific community' has decided to be the paradigm.
No room for supernatural consciousness and intelligence that have created.
This will never be consistent with the written Word of God.
But it also has no explanatory power for the universe and living nature, which bares all characteristics of design and manufacturing, and genius.

But I also know the ToE and it saying biologically we are related to Apes

The ToE doesn't even explain or make plausible that man descended form apes.
The theory is that through random mutations and natural selection this is possible and this must have happened.
It's Darwin's idea, which is bankrupt since the discovery and still increasing knowledge of DNA.

 

[Hoghead1]

Extraneous, you fail to realize that no one is perfect, no one church or approach is perfect, has all the answers, and can meet everyone's spiritual, emotion, and intellectual needs. That's why Christianity is a rich plurality. You demean other Christians who disagree with your by saying they are too worldly, when in point fact, they went in a different direction simply because your way of thinking did not meet their spiritual needs.

 

[Extraneous]

Rather, Paul argued we should accept one another in spite of our divisions.

Rom 14:5 One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.

Rom 14:10 But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.

Rom 14:13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this -- not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother's way.

Rom 14:4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

(New American Standard translation)

The context of that Romans scripture is food and holy days, not ToE. If we used your logic then we could say anything goes. That Romans scripture is also referring to people coming out of the OC into the NC, but not people coming out of the NC into the New age movement. You have that twisted. Paul also says to have nothing to do with others who dont follow his doctrine, but you didn't see that scripture im guessing. I hear posters in this thread refer to understanding context, yet those who say im out of context also ignore context themselves because truth to them is relative. Its a complete twisting of truth. That Romans scripture also doesnt justify incessant debating either, but is actually an exhortation to put it away.

 

[Extraneous]

Well, Extraneous , if you were a member of the churches I have been affiliated with, your strident anti-evolutionary propaganda would have been seen as a major source of division. Also, the way you condemn fellow Christians here simply because they don't share your views is a major source of division and tension in this forum. The Bible says judge not, that you be no judged. You should pay attention to that. You should judge yourself before you turn on others. You are so busy trying to demean others that you fail to see major flaws in your own thinking.

I wouldn't be talking about evolution in the first place because i only talk about Christ and Christ alone. I didn't start this thread. The bible also says we are suppose to judge those inside the Church, but not outside of it. You again twist things around.

 

[Extraneous]

Extraneous, you fail to realize that no one is perfect, no one church or approach is perfect, has all the answers, and can meet everyone's spiritual, emotion, and intellectual needs. That's why Christianity is a rich plurality. You demean other Christians who disagree with your by saying they are too worldly, when in point fact, they went in a different direction simply because your way of thinking did not meet their spiritual needs.

Yes they are looking to be unified as well. We see it in EO and RC mostly. I'M only talking about what i see in scripture. Paul teaches us to be of one mind and that means to mind only spiritual things, only Christ and His doctrine. You twist that though, you say that we can mind worldly things too, although they cause division.

 

[Extraneous]

ToE posters, with their twisting of scripture in this thread, appeal to the flesh. Truth is relative they say, and this appeals to the flesh. I am saying we should appeal to the Word.

 

[Colter]

The inflexible right wingers in Judaism who rejected Jesus' teaching and identity also hid behind their scripture. To them Jesus was "new age", dreamy and unrealistic. The same brand of hard hearted religious fanatics had treated the eccentric prophets of old the same way. That's the problem with taking the diverse opinions of Holy men and petrifying it into The Word of God. It prevents religion from being safeguarded by common sense.

 

[Extraneous]

They say we must understand context, and im in agreement with that, naturally. However when some people mention understanding context, they mean that we should understand that those letters were not written to us, therefore they dont apply to us. WE can therefore not follow Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, Colossians, Corinthians. Heck we dont need to follow Matthew or John either, according to their understanding. That's bogus. WE should understand context so we can understand the intent of the writings, but those letters are the most holy teaching we have. There are no more apostles. There are none today who are worthy to write scripture these days. Those writings are worth more than anything we have. They are worth more than any man made tradition, man made theology or scientific theory. They say we need teachers, yet they reject scripture. They boast of their imaginary theology degrees, yet they are just voices on the internet. This is all nonsense.

 

[Extraneous]

The inflexible right wingers in Judaism who rejected Jesus' teaching and identity also hid behind their scripture. To them Jesus was "new age", dreamy and unrealistic. The same brand of hard hearted religious fanatics had treated the eccentric prophets of old the same way. That's the problem with taking the diverse opinions of Holy men and petrifying it into The Word of God. It prevents religion from being safeguarded by common sense.

More twisting of scripture by new age understanding. Your argument is actually closer to being like a pharisee because it uses tradition to make Gods command void.

 

[Extraneous]

All of this could be avoided simply by setting our hearts and minds on Christ and His commands, and that alone, just as Paul exhorts us to do. Our eye is not single, so we are in darkness, we cannot see clearly. The darkness refers to not seeing clearly, and that is a result of abiding in darkness which is the world. WE reap what we sow. IF we do not come out from the world and be separate, altogether separate, then this darkness will not help us see. THe word is lamp for our feet. This isnt just some poetic phrase but is the truth. Holiness is complete separation of our self from mans wisdom and to put on the mind of Christ. This doesn't mean we cannot practice science, but it means that science is not theology, and ToE is a false doctrine.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Im not being dismissive to your life. I am very where that the ToE for some Christians can feel threatening towards one faith that it should be dismissed as something evil. I was in those shoes once (and still exist in the "world" where evolution is frowned upon by fellow christians)

But I also know the ToE and it saying biologically we are related to Apes does not contradict being created by God in the mind of many Christians. That being true influences me from saying evolution itself is not the problem.

It is how one views it which can create problems.

So you could care a whit about two young girls that may never accept Christ for the indoctrination they are receiving as long as "many Christians" are not contradicted by the dichotomy. I would argue that "many Christians" do not know enough about their own salvation and what the Word has to say or care to know what it says beyond their comfort zone... they are, as the Bible says, ready to receive a lie.

 

[Extraneous]

In these last days, food will be expensive. This, in my opinion, is referring to doctrine/truth but not actual food. It refers to seeing the truth in this dark world. We are in the last days. We cant afford to be anything but "holy, holy, holy", which means to be "separate, separate, separate" from the world and from mans wisdom. Separate from mans politics, divisions and theories. Thrice they say "holy, holy, holy". What will a man give in exchange for his soul?


Mathew 6:22 “The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is good, your whole body will be full of light. 23 But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness!

Revelation 4:8 The four living creatures, each having six wings, were full of eyes around and within. And they do not rest day or night, saying:

“Holy, holy, holy,[f]
Lord God Almighty,
Who was and is and is to come!”


Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, “A quart[c] of wheat for a denarius,[d] and three quarts of barley for a denarius; and do not harm the oil and the wine.”

Matthew 16:24 Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. 25 For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. 26 For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul? 27 For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. 28 “Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

2 Timothy 2:6 The hardworking farmer must be first to partake of the crops. 7 Consider what I say, and may the Lord give you understanding in all things.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

The theory has NEVER included an explanation of how life arose. Someone has misinformed you, or you are concocting that.

So you're saying that when they teach evolution in school, they don't start with the beginning of where life came from? That there are no charts that show the evolutionary charts?
Are Haeckel's phony drawings still being used in science text books today? (The answer is yes)

Look at what I found at a Berkeley resource site for elementary school kids...

Does this chart above not teach young minds that all things came from a common origin?

 

[Colter]

More twisting of scripture by new age understanding. Your argument is actually closer to being like a pharisee because it uses tradition to make Gods command void.

I didn't even quote scripture, I just pointed out that scripture worshipers rejected Jesus because he had a new Liberal message. Today the pride of religion prevents reform.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

From the same Berkeley site...

And when you place your cursor over each object in the picture it explains how something came from nothing.... so, your idea of evolution may not be this, but this is what is being taught to all children. How could they ever hope to believe in God when this is their foundation?

 

[Extraneous]

I didn't even quote scripture, I just pointed out that scripture worshipers rejected Jesus because he had a new Liberal message. Today the pride of religion prevents reform.

You took sides in this debate, therefore you agree with what they say. I judged your opinion on that. Who are these scripture worshipers? Those who appose ToE?

 

[Extraneous]

I would rather worship scripture which is Gods word, than to worship ToE which is mans word.

 

[Colter]

You took sides in this debate, therefore you agree with what they say. I judged your opinion on that. Who are these scripture worshipers? Those who appose ToE?

I side with God as the source of life. It appears quite clearly that life evolved over time from Gods original creative act.

Friend and fellow believer, it doesn't have to be so black and white. Just because non-believers try to use the observations of science, of old earth evolution of life, in an attempt to discredit creation, does not mean our faith/trust in God is invalid.

In my belief the Hebrew authors of Genesis put together a faith story based on their traditions and some much older creation narratives then in existence in Mesopotamia.