Why do Christians have trouble with accepting Evolution?

[Extraneous]

It's actually about 1.27 Billion Catholics. Even so, we are most Christians, unless you lump everyone else together. So then, Catholics vs youse guys maybe you're right, but we're still 50%. That's what half is, after all.

ITs actually closer to 50/50, but whatever, like i care. It you who are counting, not me.

 

[Root of Jesse]

ITs actually closer to 50/50, but whatever, like i care. It you who are counting, not me.

You're the one who can't substantiate the claim that "most Christians believe"... I'm just saying you can't say what "most Christians" believe. Even among Catholics, who do NOT walk in lock-step on very much, you can't say. We can say what the Church teaches, but what most Christians believe is a whole other matter.

 

[Archivist]

I'm asking for you to present Scriptural support for your position.
I can readily point to the many references to Adam being formed from the dust of the earth.
Can you mention as many that say he evolved from simpler life forms over millions of years? If those verses exist, I've never seen them. Perhaps you have.

The Bible is not a book of science. My faith comes from the Bible. My understanding of science comes from other sources.

Now my question. Are you saying that a Christuan cannot believe in evolution?

 

[Archivist]

Not true.
Remember, chapter two starts with the statement that the creation was complete.
It was intended for Eve to be Adam's helper from the beginning. The animals were brought to Adam to name, but none of them were suitable. So God fashioned Eve from Adam's rib and created for him the helper that He had intended from the beginning. Chapter two references many of the events which were described in chapter one, such as that the animals had been formed already but that Eve had not. There is no mention of how much time elapsed between the creation of Adam and the creation of Eve.

No that is not what the plain language of chapter 2 says.

 

[Extraneous]

You're the one who can't substantiate the claim that "most Christians believe"... I'm just saying you can't say what "most Christians" believe. Even among Catholics, who do NOT walk in lock-step on very much, you can't say. We can say what the Church teaches, but what most Christians believe is a whole other matter.

I never mentioned "MOst Christians" You did, and you were wrong. Give it a rest.

 

[Julie.S]

But it isn't the best explanation, at all...

Is this a personal opinion you have of it or is this tested and has proof?...

 

[Julie.S]

If you reject the Creation story found in Genesis, then you have no basis for understanding of sin, and it is highly probable you are simply not a Christian, because you are rejecting the very word of God.

I do know what Sin is thanks.
I know of the Creation story and I have heard it more then enough. I believe things have evolved over time though. I was raised in a Christian household and I know what the Bible says. I would not tell you what to believe either I find that its not my place to do so and I would never jump to the conclusion that you do not know or have an understanding of something just because of that.

Have a nice day!

 

[Optimax]

I think i know some key ideas. Its because it undermines the creation story and that people will become irreligious?

Well wouldnt that be an issue about the idea of the earth is flat if the bible is literal on that part i mean?

What i mean is that science explains our physicial world. The main point i am making is that Creation Story had two interpretations in medieval ages. Allegory" basically a deeper meaning than it is. Or "Literally" like just like it is written.

So basically allegory seems to be the key point then. Since that can be used. Since God is outside our understanding. Science is a method just to understand the world we live in more or less.

So i dont see the problem with evolution, because it doesnt undermine the scripture in the sense of it not being true?

Although i do believe its a shame that more people who lack understanding go away because of ignorance and just dont bother trying to understand why Christianity is a religion to help your life.

But i am curious to what you think?

Because it is only a theory.

That means was just somebody's idea.

God said He did it.
God knows.

 

[Archivist]

Because it is only a theory. That means was just somebody's idea. God said He did it.
God knows.

Gravity is also a theory.

 

[Hieronymus]

"Its because it undermines the creation story and that people will become irreligious?"

Evolution attempts, but does not truly undermine anything, since there is not one single shred of observable, testable, repeatable evidence of Evolution.

True.
But the problemis, people believe it, they get it taught and suggested everywhere, for decades now.
I also believed in evolution.
Why would i doubt it?
It had to be pointed out to me that it's an enormous controversy, and that there's also a different view on reality, concerning the origin of life as we know it.
It took me years to neutralize my evolution based thought patterns...

And if someone's faith can be derailed by lies, then I propose that that person's faith was not in the truth of God.

I think thatś too harsh.
Because when you're convinced Genesis 1 to 9 is just weird metaphorical story, you will have trouble with the rest too.
And the false teachers and liars should be to blame.
You will find them on both sides...

Truth is scarce on earth... The human integrity problem...

How something is wrongly interpreted does not change the truth of the original document. There are no allegories in the Bible.

It's just a shame that evidence and proof for the Bible's accuracy (as a literal history book) doesn't have the same media-platform as the darn Pyramids...

Jesus came to make dead people live. He did not come to enhance your life. As a matter of fact, if you are following Christ, you may very well have an incredibly hard life, including persecution, even martyrdom through most horrific means (look at what ISIS is doing to Christians).

 

[Hieronymus]

Gravity is also only a theory.

Don't be silly, it's a fact of reality, the laws of physics.

 

[Hieronymus]

literalist are forced to see God in a very wicked and erroneous manner. this had lead humans to commit all kinds of different forms of evils.

I don't think that has anything to do with literalism.
I assume you mean 'literalistic Christians'.
The Law of Christ is Agape.
Love your fellow human beings
I mean, that's literal too.

 

[Archivist]

Don't be silly, it's a fact of reality, the laws of physics.

Actually no. The law of gravity describes the attraction between two objects. The theory of gravity describes why the objects attract each other.

 

[Jadis40]

some people can be extremely stubborn. like the flat earthers. they literally have to believe that every single photo of the spherical earth is photoshopped. it is completely irrational.

Exactly. I'm not sure where this wave of new "flat earthers" is coming from or what's fueling it. Part of me wants to dismiss them as some of the biggest trolls on the internet - especially Youtube. On the other hand, in trying to speak some common sense as to why a flat earth is wrong, they do all sorts of hand-waving to dismiss it and claim it's all some sort of conspiracy by NASA.

 

[Tina W]

I think i know some key ideas. Its because it undermines the creation story and that people will become irreligious?

Well wouldnt that be an issue about the idea of the earth is flat if the bible is literal on that part i mean?

What i mean is that science explains our physicial world. The main point i am making is that Creation Story had two interpretations in medieval ages. Allegory" basically a deeper meaning than it is. Or "Literally" like just like it is written.

So basically allegory seems to be the key point then. Since that can be used. Since God is outside our understanding. Science is a method just to understand the world we live in more or less.

So i dont see the problem with evolution, because it doesnt undermine the scripture in the sense of it not being true?

Although i do believe its a shame that more people who lack understanding go away because of ignorance and just dont bother trying to understand why Christianity is a religion to help your life.

But i am curious to what you think?

Evolution undermines everything not just about creation, but also the fall of mankind, being created in God's image, the need for salvation etc. Nothing fits if you eliminate creation. The Bible says sin entered the world through 1 man, Adam. If evolution were true, then that would mean death existed on the planet before the fall of Adam and was NOT a consequence of sin. Which means why would there be a need for a savior if there was no fall? Also how could we be created in God's image if we evolved from slime, reptiles, or monkeys? So I believe in creationism because evolution doesn't make sense. I don't believe in YEC, young earth creationism but I do believe in creationism, I just don't think the earth is as young as some think. I believe in creationism GAP theory where the earth is older than was originally thought, but in the beginning God did create man from the dirt and breathed in him the breath of life. We did NOT evolve from anything. Believing in evolution takes away the fall of man, it takes away death being caused by original sin, which takes away the need for salvation which takes away the need for Jesus to die for our sins. You cannot believe in evolution and still be a Christian. I don't understand how some can believe in evolution but still call themselves Christians. The only thing that fits in with science is creationism with GAP theory. God created heaven and earth in the very beginning, then something happened inbetween verse 1 and 2 to cause the earth to become formless, dark and void, like an ice age. Then God's Spirit hovered over the earth and He said let there be light, and restored the earth in 6 days then created Adam & Eve and the rest of the things of the Bible happened. All of that stuff about dinasaurs, and fossils and cavemen and different creatures, all of that took place between verse 1 and 2. God could have done lots of things on this earth before He created man. That would explain the age of the earth too. God may do the same thing again, after the millinnial reign of Christ in Revelations and after all of mankind is judged and sent to heaven or hell. After that there may be an ice age for thousands of years then God may create again on this earth. Then whatever beings God creates may find fossils of humanity and wonder about us. But just like how they won't have evolved from us, is the same we we didn't evolve from whatever was on the earth before God made man. So God did something on the earth, whatever was here, their time ended, there was an ice age, then God restored the earth and made man from the dust. That's the only theory that fits with the dinosaurs and fossils and also with the creation of man.

 

[Archivist]

On the other hand, in trying to speak some common sense as to why a flat earth is wrong, they do all sorts of hand-waving to dismiss it and claim it's all some sort of conspiracy by NASA.

You do know that the whole moon landing was filmed at a studio in Hollywood.

 

[Tina W]

But the Bible isn't literal on that point, referring to the Earth, as it does in one passage, as a sphere.


...and what you're saying is the reason most Christians have come to believe in (theistic) evolution.

The theory of evolution was originally seen as rejecting the possibility of God creating by an act of His will, but if we see Him as having created the laws of the universe and setting them into operation, which in turn resulted in the creation of all that exists in the physical universe...

then evolution is credible and not opposed to Genesis.

Except that theory takes away the fall of man and death being a consequences of sin. In order for evolution to happen, things had to die from the beginning. The Bible says death is a result of sin.

 

[Jadis40]

You do know that the whole moon landing was filmed at a studio in Hollywood.

That's what the conspiracy theorists say. I personally believe that we did, in fact, go to the moon.

 

[Tina W]

Evolution is something that I just haven't been convinced as being valid. I 100% agree with micro evolution but not macro evolution. As for what the bible says; the Bible is not a science book, it never tells us how God created and made things, just that He did do it. However, I do believe the Bible gives us hints at a sort of timeline, all-be-it in a very general way. I have rejected the traditional 6,000 year creation story that most christians have been taught and believed for centuries. I believe in the "gap theory" of Genesis 1.

Exactly! The GAP theory is the only thing that fits both what science says and what the Bible says. The purpose of the Bible was to tell us about God and about the history of humanity. Not the history of the planet. I don't believe in young earth, but I do believe in creationism.

 

[Archivist]

That's what the conspiracy theorists say. I personally believe that we did, in fact, go to the moon.

As do I. I can remember being in school and watching it on television.