And the current Pope has done far worse... But their weakness takes nothing from God's ability to direct the course of world history, or the going forth of the gospel. God is in control.
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Why do Christians have trouble with accepting Evolution?
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Extraneous
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It makes no sense that you heard of Christ because of scripture, but then you reject scripture.
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So you just invent your own Jesus then? If you dont trust scripture to be truth, what use is there in believing in Him?
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BTW ScottA and Colter, the scriptures do not promote Catholicism, but actually refutes it in many ways. THis is why we can trust scripture. Just because RCC may have been flawed, dont mean that the scriptures are.
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Luke17:37
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You think AIG (and the rest of us on here) are foolish for believing young earth Biblical creation and a global flood. I don't mind if you laugh because you are not mocking us, you're mocking Jesus, and He told us this would happen. So we are glad, because this means we're living in the truth.
We have a good explanation for the world: What an all powerful God created was very good, and man's rebellion brought a curse. You believe that this profoundly complicated world just appeared and organized itself from nothing. Where have you seen this in natural phenomena?
Romans 1:18-25 in the Bible discusses the reality that you are resisting. You are worshiping the creature rather than the Creator. You are suppressing the truth.
Colter, you have a real enemy who seeks to destroy you. You can't see him, but he's as real as your flesh, and he's God's enemy, too. As long as he can convince you to maintain your rebellion against your Creator for the rest of your life, he knows you'll die eternally with him in a physical and painful place called the Lake of Fire. It's not the enemy's fault, either, if you go there. Every one of us deserve to go there, because God is holy and we're not. We are not "pretty good" people; we're profoundly broken and God can't have us in His sight. We are alike in rebelling, but because God loved us, He died for us while we were still enemies, so that anyone who believes in Him will live and not die. Wouldn't you like a love so powerful it can love enemies?
God provides you a way to be forgiven in His sight. If you decide to repent and place your faith in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, you can have life. Otherwise, you are choosing death for yourself. Sin is not what it's cracked up to be. Yeah, it can be fun, but it has horrible consequences and ultimately leaves us unsatisfied. God's ways might seem unsuitable to you, but they bring life and real joy. I urge you not to destroy yourself. Jesus forgave the Romans who drove the nails into His hands and feet. He can forgive you if you earnestly turn and believe (with a lasting faith).
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You will have better results in the long run if you stop telling people they must quite accepting reality before they can accept Christ. Evolution is real, you need to get over your problems with what God really did.
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ToE is a fallible theory, not the holy truth of mans origin. Calling ToE reality is like calling unfinished work finished. Its like taking a huge jigsaw puzzle, with half the pieces missing, and pieces from other puzzle mixed in as well, and saying it is complete
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Luke17:37
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Evolution is just a theory of life without a Creator. I know and love my Creator, therefore I know it's false. Even if you and Colter and many others persist in rejecting the truth, that doesn't make it false. That just means you will have chosen to receive God's wrath instead of His mercy. He didn't make robots. He gives you a choice.
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Again...you are not factoring in the providence of God...or worse, you are judging them, or judging God.
If we acknowledge God to be all powerful and in control...then we have no choice but to accept that He is the one who decides what passes from generation to generation, what stays in and promotes the will of God, and what gets cut.
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Don't be deceived. Theistic Evolution contradicts the Bible and destroys the foundation of the gospel. Your view of God is quite powerless. Death was the curse and the penalty of sin, not God's means of creating. And even the current animal diet and disposition (and death) are effects of the curse--these things will be removed when Jesus reigns physically on the earth (Isaiah 11, 65). Because death is the real penalty for sin (Genesis 2:17, Romans 6:23) and Adam's race is alike in deserving it (Romans 3:23), that's why Jesus (having no human father and thus no sin nature, and who lived without sin) literally died --so the Father could be just (punishing sin as appropriate) and merciful (forgiving sinners) at the same time.
Hebrews 4:12
12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
2 Timothy 3:16
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
Matthew 4:4
4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”
Matthew 5:18
18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
When you read the creation account in Genesis 1, you see that God created with His spoken word. "Let there be..."
Jesus Himself is called the Word and He is Creator.
John 1:1-4, 14
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men...
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
To the church of Laodicea, the lukewarm church, He introduces Himself, "These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God" (Revelation 3:14). Jesus is the Faithful and True Witness who told us of the Beginning of the Creation of God. We need to believe Him and not assume that our 21st century "wisdom" is greater than Almighty God.
Jesus is also called the Word of God.
Revelation 19:13
13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
Look what in His mouth. Remember Hebrews 4:12.
Revelation 19:15
15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
And what does He do with His "sword" that comes out of His mouth?
Revelation 19:21
21 And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.
The Word of God who created with His word (Genesis 1) will destroy His enemies with His word also. How then do you think He will treat people who say that His word is man's word and regard pieces of it with contempt and disbelief?
You can go on thinking that the Bible is man's word and that it is errant, or you can believe the Bible, that it is God's inerrant Word. You have an authority problem. Unless you believe that God's Word is infallible and authoritative, your faith--if you even have faith--is hanging on a thread. Besides the fact that Jesus revealed Himself to the Laodiceans as the Faithful and True Witness from the beginning of creation (suggesting these lukewarm people might have a problem with believing the beginning), it also addresses this specific area of non-belief in 2 Peter 3:3-9. Take a look. It is saying that many scoffers will deny the straightforward teaching about the end (Jesus' literal, bodily return) but foundationally they rejected the Bible's accounts of the creation of the universe and the worldwide flood. The same verse people take out of context to attack the timetable of Genesis 1 is in this same passage. Read and repent. Believe God's Word. Don't be a scoffer and send yourself to the Lake of Fire.
2 Peter 3:3-9
3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” 5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. 7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
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Colter
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The foundation of the original gospel was faith in God as our Father.
Original, inherited sin theory is just that, a theory. The sin of Eve and then Adam did have consequences for us all, but death was already on the earth. The loss of mortality was specific to them. It was later generations that speculated death came to all men. The old earth full of dead bones is proof. Besides, If no one ever died the earth would have quite an overcrowding problem by now.
God and God alone is my authority. It was closed minded religious people who hid behind the scripture that rejected the Son and killed him.
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You don't need a biblical reference, EastCoast, just take a look at history. If you want a biblical reference, however, one good place to look is the situation between Peter and Paul. Peter and those based in Jerusalem believed Christianity was only for practicing Jews. Yu had to keep all the Jewish customs. Paul challenged that and said gentiles, the goy, were also included. So, in early Christianity , according to Paul, you could practice Jewish customs if you wanted or you could be gentile.
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KW, sarcastic statements such s "you can read the stars, but you can't read the Bible" are insulting and totally inappropriate in this or any theological discussion group. Also, you seem to be assuming that your fundamentalist understanding and interpretation of Scripture is the only possible one. That is definitely not true. Not all Christens believe that the Bible is or has to be inerrant in all matters. I, for example, have pointed out a number of times that God did not intend Scripture to be an accurate geophysical witness. It isn't really the Bible or God that is in question here, it is your preconceived dogmas as to what Scripture really is.
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