Why do Christians have trouble with accepting Evolution?

[Hoghead1]

Seems worthless to me the way that you understand it.... if truth is not absolute, then my truth is acceptable to God and your opposing truth is equally acceptable.

How did you come up with that idea? That's totally irrational. simply cannot have abolstuel certainty in science. The reason is that our window into the past is very limited. So we have to speculate. That means we are dealing with ideas that have a certain degree of probability. Same is true of your religious beliefs. They,too, are a matter of speculation and therefore have a certain probability of being right or wrong. In these deep matters, no one really can have absolute truth or proof of anything. That's what faith is for.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Because you say so? What is your basis for this or is this your own gem?

Where have you been, that you don't know how science works? Its all about the evidence and what the evidence teaches us. Look, your only problem with science is science has learned things you would rather are not true. You are of course not alone in this regard.

 

[Faith77]

Why do YOU jump to the conclusion that i jump to a conclusion?

Because you said so yourself. That one must be blind. That's a conclusion you jumped to.

 

[Hoghead1]

How can you say that?
Doesn't make sense...

The fact that the Bible was written by divinely inspired but fallible human beings in no way demeans it or detracts from its value. It simply means the Bible is not inerrant, period, end of it, nothing more. Some members here fall into either-or thinking, which actually is a from of neurotic ideation, by the way. Either the Bible is inerrant or it is all errant and absolutely useless. Totally irrational. Reality is generally a shade of grey. If you can't accept that, do not get out of bed in the morning. Unless you are naïve enough to believe human beings are infallible and make infallible judgments all the time, you have to agree with me and admit that any and all human witnessing is always fallible to some greater or lesser extent. And in no way does that negate the value of such witnesses, just that you have to be careful here and don't take anything for granted.

 

[Hieronymus]

Because you said so yourself. That one must be blind. That's a conclusion you jumped to.

i didn't need to jump.
It is a fact that the blind can not see.

 

[Colter]

You make a strawman statement like that and expect people to take you seriously?

What's the straw man part of my post? According to the Hebrews YEC story about themselves all races on earth came from Noahs descendants even though those races have old histories.

 

[Hieronymus]

What's the straw man part of my post? According to the Hebrews YEC story about themselves all races on earth came from Noahs descendants even though those races have old histories.

Check this out:
http://www.christianforums.com/threads/revealing-quotes-from-revered-scientists.7942332/

 

[Colter]

Check this out:
http://www.christianforums.com/threads/revealing-quotes-from-revered-scientists.7942332/

Ok, I checked out your link. I didn't see any explanation for Jews having Chinese babies.

There is true science based on observable fact and there are scientist with various agendas.

 

[Armoured]

nm

 

[Hieronymus]

Ok, I checked out your link. I didn't see any explanation for Jews having Chinese babies.

There is true science based on observable fact and there are scientist with various agendas.

Exactly, and you subscribe to naturalistic thinking, which is a choice of belief, to which the scientific community subscribes.
You could have figured that out by actually reading the OP i linked to.

 

[Colter]

Exactly, and you subscribe to naturalistic thinking, which is a choice of belief, to which the scientific community subscribes.
You could have figured that out by actually reading the OP i linked to.

But your statement about me isn't true, it's an assumption, an attempt to pigeon hole someone because you have no defense against the truth of my debate points.

I live in and observe the material world as a spirit born child of the living God. I pursue spirituality and the study of the created universe.

 

[Hieronymus]

But your statement about me isn't true, it's an assumption,

Hmmm... I based it on your own writings..

an attempt to pigeon hole someone

Maybe a little..
Iḿ sorry.

because you have no defense against the truth of my debate points.

You don't even have a case i.m.o., sorry..
I have asked you couple times where you get your wisdom, and you only mentioned an ambiguous 20th century book...

 

[Colter]

Hmmm... I based it on your own writings..Maybe a little..
Iḿ sorry.You don't even have a case i.m.o., sorry..
I have asked you couple times where you get your wisdom, and you only mentioned an ambiguous 20th century book...

One doesn't have to have profound wisdom to question how Jews had Chinese babies. I don't question each one of your common sense assumptions.

 

[Hieronymus]

One doesn't have to have profound wisdom to question how Jews had Chinese babies. I don't question each one of your common sense assumptions.

I guess i was offtopic, just wanted to show you the topic because of previous discussions.

 

[KWCrazy]

KW, it is a no-no in serious theological discussion and also on this forum for you or anyone else to sit and knock the spirituality and Christianity of fellow Christians, as you are doing with me here.

To the contrary, it is 100% relevant to know the spirituality of someone whose very intent is to attack the spirituality of others on a Christian website. Were we having a secular discussion on an open board, you may have a point. However, when one is among believers posting things which are contrary to the Bible and consistently calling them ignorant and uneducated because they believe the word of God over the theories of man, it is important for us to know where you're coming from. After all, YOU are the one who made light of those who had experienced the Holy Spirit. You called us kooks and fanatics. You represent yourself as Protestant but deny affiliation with any denomination. You CONSTANTLY talk about people misinterpreting the Scriptures and when called on it repeatedly you refuse to post anything from the Bible to back up anything you say. The internet is full of frauds and pretenders. We as believers have the right and responsibility to know with whim we are conversing. When a person presents himself as an authority on the Bible he should be expected to demonstrate that authority. You have not. What you believe is between you and God, but if you lead even one Christian astray through your false teaching I can assure you that will be a millstone around your neck when you stand before the one true God. Is evolution so dear to you that you would spend your days undermining the beliefs of others to promote it?

Posts such as this simply show you are very intolerant and lacking in respect for those Christians who maybe do not share your views.

Christians? You mean us kooks and fanatics who claim to have experienced the Holy Spirit when it was really our grandmother? Do you have any idea how many years I've spent trying to find a TE who actually believes in the word of the Lord who can show some kind of agreement with the Scriptures? I have concluded that it can't be done because evolution is diametrically opposed to the foundations of the Scripture. To what extent you believe in one you must disbelieve in the other. Either God fashioned Adam from the dust of the earth, or man evolved over millions of years. These are the two core components of creation and evolution. It is not possible for both to be true.

By the way. I post out of love, not hate. Ephesians 6:12. "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms." We hate the sin but love the sinner. We respect the rights of others to have and post different opinions, but there are principalities with which we are at war. There is a great evil that works to separate Christians from their faith in the word of God. Evolution is one tool to accomplish that goal. For evolution to be true, much of the Bible must be false. For us to live in a purely natural word, ALL of the Bible must be false. It's not a matter of dull minded ignorant people not understanding the Scriptures. We don't need Biblical scholars to save us from our ignorance by telling us that everything we read in the Scriptures is false. We have a greater teacher; the Holy Spirit. And no, it's not Grandma.

 

[Luke17:37]

Where have you been, that you don't know how science works? Its all about the evidence and what the evidence teaches us. Look, your only problem with science is science has learned things you would rather are not true. You are of course not alone in this regard.

"Evidence" doesn't teach. A person views evidence through an a priori worldview. Here's a simplified example:

Evidence: Rock layers with fossils
A priori worldview: There is no God, so everything in creation developed naturally from nothing.
Interpretation: These rock layers and fossils show millions of years.

Evidence: Rock layers with fossils
A priori worldview: There is a Creator
Interpretation: These rock layers and fossils are consistent with the global flood God wrote about in Genesis 6-9.

 

[Armoured]

"Evidence" doesn't teach. A person views evidence through an a priori worldview. Here's a simplified example:

Evidence: Rock layers with fossils
A priori worldview: There is no God, so everything in creation developed naturally from nothing.
Interpretation: These rock layers and fossils show millions of years.

Evidence: Rock layers with fossils
A priori worldview: There is a Creator
Interpretation: These rock layers and fossils are consistent with the global flood God wrote about in Genesis 6-9.

Which might even hold water, were it not for the fact that the founders of scientific geology and evolution were strong Christians, as have been literally millions of their progeny.

If the whole thing were started by athiests, and only believed by atheists, yeah, maybe. But it's not.

 

[Luke17:37]

Which might even hold water, were it not for the fact that the founders of scientific geology and evolution were string Christians, as have been literally millions of their progeny.

If the whole thing were started by athiests, and only believed by atheists, yeah, maybe. But it's not.

Professed Christians compromise by deferring to man's authority and rejecting God's authority all the time.

 

[KWCrazy]

Try reading Pere Teilhard de Chardin. Yes, he most definitely did see evolution as fitting Scripture.

It's quite revealing that you cite others who believed evolution fits with Scripture and not yourself. One would think that if you believed the two fit together you would demonstrate it here instead of the constant refusal to do so. It's easy. All you have to do is say, "Look at this passage, where Jesus explains that Genesis was all a metaphor..." and then give us the passage, of course.

What it really boils down to is that you feel it's your privilege to berate fellow Christians who do not share your particular views.

Totally false. I simply ask those Christians who believe in evolution to demonstrate how they came to accept two mutually exclusive versions of our creation. It's when people get haughty and claim they're more intelligent and better educated and yet still can't post anything they believe in that I become suspicious. I always hold on to the possibility that there are verses of Scripture which allow for some other alternative, but never have I seen such verses. A believer believes in the Scriptures; a non-believer does not. A believer who also believes in evolution should be able to show how his belief fits in with his reading of the Scriptures. No TE I've ever encountered can do this.

Nobody is attacking God or the Bible, just your irrational interpretations thereof.

So when I read in the Ten Commandments that in six days the Lord created the Heavens and the Earth and rested on the seventh, that it is an irrational belief to think that the Lord created the Heavens and the Earth and rested on the seventh? Wow! I must truly be irrational then. Was Jesus irrational when He spoke of Noah, the first man and woman, Lot's wife, Jonah? Was He irrational when He said that man should live by every word that came from the mouth of God? So belief in the Scriptures is irrational?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

We don't know. Much older then 6,000 yrs though. I think it is important to known that Man was created in the image of God but still fell.....how long ago this exactly happened doesn't matter.

That's only because you don't have the faith to believe it to be true... God is capable of exactly what He has said to us in His Word.