Why do Christians hate Wicca(Witchcraft)?

[Carico]

Jesus said "He who is not with me is against me." Jesus said he was the only way to God and not to worship worldly idols. It sounds like the Wiccans are talking out of both sides of their mouths. Which is it? Do you believe Jesus or not?

As for spiritual things, one can only be spiritual if the Holy Spirit resides in him. If it does not, then whorldly things reside in him.

 

[Havoc]

Jesus said "He who is not with me is against me." Jesus said he was the only way to God and not to worship worldly idols. It sounds like the Wiccans are talking out of both sides of their mouths. Which is it? Do you believe Jesus or not?

As for spiritual things, one can only be spiritual if the Holy Spirit resides in him. If it does not, then whorldly things reside in him.

Correction: You believe Jesus said that. There's no way to know if he did or not. Even if he did say it what makes his claim of being the mesiah any better than the other couple hundred guys that have made the same claim.

Do I believe your Christ was God? No.

Do I accept your unsubstantiated claim that he was? No.

Do you accept my beliefs as truth? Probably not.

I guess that makes us even. But not believing in your God doesn't make us dishonest. You claiming we are "talking out of both sides of our mouth" certainly says a lot about you though. Once again I, and no doubt many other people, are reminded by your example of why we don't want to be a Christian.

You're one of the best recruiting tools we have Carico. Thanx.

 

[dlamberth]

As for spiritual things, one can only be spiritual if the Holy Spirit resides in him. If it does not, then whorldly things reside in him.

To me, one of the key things that separate people from the other critters in God's creation is that we Human Beings ARE also spiritual in nature.

And if I read what you wrote correctly, your saying that the only people who are spiritual are those indwelled with the Holy Spirit? In my mind than, you are also than saying that the only people who truly Human are those select few who have accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Savior. Is this how you might be reading things?

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[dlamberth]

I messed up...sorry.

 

[ALW]

"Jesus said "He who is not with me is against me." Jesus said he was the only way to God and not to worship worldly idols. It sounds like the Wiccans are talking out of both sides of their mouths. Which is it? Do you believe Jesus or not?"

Not sure how this quote things works... Just visiting for the day....

To answer your question as a witch - Do I believe in Jesus or not?
Yes, I belive in Jesus. I believe Jesus was the son of God. I also believe you and I are the children of God. I believe Jesus devoted his life and death for the people he loves.
I happen to find the Bible fascinating but I don’t see it as law or the divine word of God. I don’t think any person could truly grasp the divine word of God. Any interpretation of the word of God is subject to the faults of all those who read it and pass it along. The point of life is to try to reflect the love and hope God has for us. I think (hope) that is universal across most religions and faiths.

Just my perspective,
ALW

 

[Tracie]

Hi, ALW. Just a quick question...you believe that Jesus is the Son of God, do you believe He is God? If so, wouldn't what he said be perfect truth? He talked about a lot more than love (although love of God and of fellow man are the greatest commandments). He also said "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." So, if you believe that what Jesus said is truth, that eliminates all other religions. He also said that He was not the END of the law, but the fulfillment of the law (meaning the law is still in effect). He also quoted scripture from the Old Testament.

I'm just wondering what your thoughts are on that. Thanks!

Tracie

 

[Havoc]

I think ALW already pointed out that she does not consider the Bible to be the Divine Word of God, therefore what the Bible claims Jesus said may not be terribly important to her.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Jesus said "He who is not with me is against me."

One little thing...

Jesus also said to his disciples, "He who is not against us is for us." (Mark 9:40)

It's logically impossible for both these statements to be true.

So.....

 

[tulc]

Not all of us do.
tulc

 

[Tracie]

I think Jesus was talking about Christians in that passage.

38"Teacher," said John, "we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us."
39"Do not stop him," Jesus said. "No one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, 40for whoever is not against us is for us. 41I tell you the truth, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to Christ will certainly not lose his reward.

He's talking about people doing things in His name. The disciples were concerned that someone was doing miracles in Jesus' name and he wasn't one of the disciples. Jesus told John that if the person is performing miracles in His (Jesus') name then it is ok. I'm pretty sure he isnt' talking about everyone. You have to read the passages around that to understand.

Tracie

 

[ALW]

Hi, ALW. Just a quick question...you believe that Jesus is the Son of God, do you believe He is God? If so, wouldn't what he said be perfect truth?
Tracie

Tracie,

Good question.
I will say - I am not ruling out the possibility that Jesus was indeed God. God can take any form whether that be material, imaterial or human.
I think the story portrayed in the Bible is far better if Jesus was not actually God but the reflection of God. He is the representation of human in strength and weakness. His story is a good one for anyone of any faith to read and think about.
Second part - I don't think the Bible is the devine word of God or the pure word of Jesus. It can not help but be tainted through the centuries by translation, translators and interprutation.

Anna

 

[LastMaxim]

...I don't think the Bible is the devine word of God or the pure word of Jesus. It can not help but be tainted through the centuries by translation, translators and interprutation...

...Unless God has jealously guarded His message throughout those very same centuries, working through the translators, interpreters, etc ...do compare the dead sea scrolls with what we have today...estimated at 99% similar...tiny changes have occured, but nothing that would change His original message, commandments, etc...we have God's covenant with us, His promises, and our end to up-hold, if we expect God to work in our lives; we have His plan for our salvation all rather clearly spelled out for us...

 

[Havoc]

Accurate translation and preservation of text does not prove that the story in the text is true.

 

[Doeser]

Accurate translation and preservation of text does not prove that the story in the text is true.

Quite true, and whoes to say that anything in the bible is true?? Maybe there are some historical accuracies, but I believe that, thats it. Its kinda funny, Christianity started out as a Cult, and the only thing that made it a religion today, is the shere numbers of people who believe in it. Someday it will probably be a cult again, and who knows someday it will probably not exist at all.

But whoes to say that any religion is correct, or the right way. Or even if God actually exists. I believe that God was just a concept made up, to put an explanation onto "how the universe came to be". No one can prove Gods existance, but then no one can disprove it. God is merly a disprovable and Inprovible concept that people take to believe because the fact of the matter is: HUMANS ARE WEAK MINDED FOOLS THAT NEED SOMETHING TO BELIEVE IN OR ELSE THEY CANT FIND THEIR MEANING IN LIFE!!!!

 

[ALW]

...Unless God has jealously guarded His message throughout those very same centuries, working through the translators, interpreters, etc .

I like that tought and it is very worth pondering.

..do compare the dead sea scrolls with what we have today...estimated at 99% similar...tiny changes have occured, but nothing that would change His original message, commandments, etc....

I had not read up on the Dead Sea Scrolls. Thank you for pointing that out. More reading to do. How I do love that.
Could you tell me...... what was the length of time that elapsed between the time Jesus spoke and the time man wrote down what he could remember?
I do realize you could also add that God could have divinely influenced thier memory.

 

[Draco]

Not all Christians hate Wiccans and Witches. I am a Wiccan and i use to be Christian. I have met people who are Christian and are ok with Wicca and Witchcraft. I have also met the Christians who think their religion is the supreme religion and that all Wiccans are out to take over the world and kill their children. They are like that because they have not really looked at Wicca and just go by their pastor who says all Wiccans are evil and satanic. Before anyone judges anyone, give them a chance.

 

[LastMaxim]

Accurate translation and preservation of text does not prove that the story in the text is true.

Lol...to be honest, regardless of the historical accuracy of the Bible (which looks pretty good, btw), it is far secondary to the Spirit of God, which does prove the truth of the Word to me.

Joh 14:15 "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
Joh 14:16 "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;
Joh 14:17 that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.
John 14:26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

 

[Havoc]

It might IF you could show the existence of "the Spirit of God".

You are simply claiming that one speculation proves another.

But I'm glad to see you added the "to me". We agree that beliefs are a personal matter and no religion can be proven or disproven to be absolute truth.

 

[LastMaxim]

It might IF you could show the existence of "the Spirit of God".

You are simply claiming that one speculation proves another.

But I'm glad to see you added the "to me". We agree that beliefs are a personal matter and no religion can be proven or disproven to be absolute truth.

...for the way you define proven, it can not, other than to show one the fruit of Christ in one's life. However you'd know exactly what I was talking about if you tried abit of faith in Christ, and got to know Him personally...then you'd have the same Spirit testifing to you as well ...it seems foolish to you, and it did to me as well, until I came to know Jesus...I don't know that there are truly words to describe the difference, but the Bible does a pretty good job...

1Co 1:18 For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
1Co 1:21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.
1Co 1:23 but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness,
1Co 2:14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

..add to this the surpassing peace that is given to us, as believers, not to mention the the so many other promises given to us in His Covenant with us...this is true proof, given to us on God's terms, not yours or mine ...

 

[Havoc]

...for the way you define proven, it can not, other than to show one the fruit of Christ in one's life. However you'd know exactly what I was talking about if you tried abit of faith in Christ, and got to know Him personally...then you'd have the same Spirit testifing to you as well ...it seems foolish to you, and it did to me as well, until I came to know Jesus...I don't know that there are truly words to describe the difference, but the Bible does a pretty good job...

You might want to have a look at my testimony and then speak. I tried Christianity, for about two thirds of the entire time you've been alive.

What you're describing is a religious experience. Religious experience is not the sole purvue of Christianity. Practically all religions describe it just as fervently as you. Unless all religious experience is true one cannot be used as proof to the exclusion of others.