I've just clarified rhe point. Yeah, its not really open borders. It's ALMOST open borders.Open borders is a republican talking point. Not reality on the ground.
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I've just clarified rhe point. Yeah, its not really open borders. It's ALMOST open borders.Open borders is a republican talking point. Not reality on the ground.
Yes because rhe only way to make it happen is by the force of government. Forcing your neighbor to give, which is antithetical to scriptural teaching.This is the only way any sort of just Kingdom can be established. But as per human nature this will never happen.
Yes and thise nations aren't willing to do what it takes to get there.More and more nations will want the material gains of the west. This is the measure that everyone has the same level of life as we living comfortably in the west. I don't think the earth can take that. Some something has to give.
I diagreeing with your assumption that I am clueless because I live on a large island and have no fenses or guards.I literally told you that I knew you lived on an island and that's why you are clueless regarding "borders".
More politicing.Once the Tasmanians were dealt with.
I still cannot see what this has got to do with immigration and border security. You seem to be dredging up unrelated stuff about stereotypical cultural icons from decades ago. What has DEI got to do with it. Are you bringing in DEI as why the government is cracking down on border security.This is the problem, Steve. You want to play around in American politics and you don't understand basic cultural references that would be known to *anyone* your age in my country. Let me summarize it for you -- the goals of the DEI you decry were the subjects of actual advertising campaigns from soft drink companies (Coke-a-Cola, Dr. Pepper) in the 1970s and 80s. Somehow it has become "bad". (I wonder why...)
Are you saying that because there is a history of violence against immigrants that this somehow negatives policies to toughen up immigration and border security.As I stated, I know it is an island. You wrote of anti-ICE violence and I pointed out that the streets were filled with non-violent protesters. In contrast group violence against immigrants (not immigration officers) has been a fixture of American culture for 2 centuries. I'm not sure how this is hard to comprehend. Perhaps it is that your assumptions on this thread are completely disconnected from reality.
I don't think this is what they are trying to combat. Its more the criminal and terror groups or people that are fighting the policy or cracking down. Did not an ICE facility get shot up and other shooters. Was not ANTIFA involved. Maybe a bomb threat. There have been riots and in some places its increased 1,000%.Places where unauthorized and deportable immigrants are located are not war zones, nor are they terrorists.
I agree if they are being violent. But what is violence. For some simply stopping undocumented immigrants is violence. If as a result that the mre radical arm of those who believe imigrants should not be stopped become violent what then. Should the government increase their protection and ability to combat these radicals. Or increase law and order as a result of it getting out of hand.The answer is for ICE to stop being so violent.
Hum this is what I am seeing. Were there not terror attacks on ICE facilities. Are not people in the streets attacking ICE agents just moving through the streets. Is not ANTIFA an organised terror group commiting terror against ICE. The articles above say otherwise. They speak of a rising terror full stop that is unjustified. If there is a rising terror should not the government be prepared.It is ICE that is committing the violence.
Hum is Antifa a group that uses violence and terror. If they did not do it then was this attack an act of terror against a government department. Is there any organised groups who are willing to commit violence and terror against the US government.It is ICE that is committing the violence. "Antifa" hasn't attacked anyone.
Is that a way of justifying whats happening.We're talking about America, Steve. All nuts are gun nuts.
I don't know him but it seems the independent evidence supports his claim that political violence is rising and more are willing to use violence as a means.Paxton is a thug.
I did and I am way ahead and your not keeping up. I said there were similarities between radicalism of Islamist and the radicalism that is behind the growing violence and terror attacks in the US. I explained this a bit above.You don't actually read what I write, do you? Just typing random thoughts after what I wrote, eh?
More of the same. More persecution of Jews and increasing persecution of Christians.What is "coming" Steve?
Really is that the trench you want to die in. You really don't think there is any truth to the UN assessments. I know they can be highly biased. But I just gave you ample independent evidence of this. Do you not notice the rise in unrest and civil conflicts, protests, riots in many nations. The increasing use of violence.Who trusts the UN?
I was thinking that by its very nature fallen humans are more inclined to want to live according to the world and their natural desires. It goes against human flesh nature to live as Gods Kingdom on earth as it is spiritual and requires submitting to God and living according to the spirit and not the flesh.Yes because rhe only way to make it happen is by the force of government. Forcing your neighbor to give, which is antithetical to scriptural teaching.
Its a conflict of interests. You cannot serve both money and materialism and self or God at the same time. Something becomes your god. Its either the worlds principalities and ideologies. Or its Gods.Yes and thise nations aren't willing to do what it takes to get there.
You are clueless because you only read far-right "news" from a country where you don't live and don't understand the political context.I diagreeing with your assumption that I am clueless because I live on a large island and have no fenses or guards.
It was historyMore politicing.
You brought "DEI paradise" up as part of your earlier post. DEI does not actually have anything to do with the topic of ICE violence, but this is the problem with your posts Steve. Your posts are continually filled with unnecessary and unconnected thoughts. That particular bit in the earlier posts was a word salad of RW talking points of which less than half had anything to do with the topic. Edit your posts! Not just for spelling and grammar, but for CONTENT. Remove superfluous ideas. Make them shorter and stick to topics you understand. This is not one of them.I still cannot see what this has got to do with immigration and border security. You seem to be dredging up unrelated stuff about stereotypical cultural icons from decades ago. What has DEI got to do with it. Are you bringing in DEI as why the government is cracking down on border security.
No what I am saying is that ICE violence today is but a continuation of anti-immigrant violence in the US. Some has been "official" others not. Today's ICE dresses like an anti-immigrant mob and acts like one. They need to act like professionals not street gangs.Are you saying that because there is a history of violence against immigrants that this somehow negatives policies to toughen up immigration and border security.
And they aren't committing violence in their protests.I was saying that people can protest but not commit violence or call for violence or do violence against others as part of the protests.
It is ICE that is ramping up this tension with their tactics and practices.That it seems as a result the tension has gone up 10 notches and we are seeing an increase in violent speak and acts including terror acts. This is an observation and a reality. To say nothing about whose fault but that its a fact it is happening.
Let me repeat the statement you "responded to": Immimgrant communities (including the ones where persons who are not permitted to be here live, work, and shop ARE NOT WAR ZONES. They have crime and poverty like other less well off neighborhoods, but the ARE NOT WAR ZONES. The invasion tactics used by ICE as if they are raiding al-Qaida cells are not necessary or helpful. ICE and DHS use propaganda as if they are going into combat zones -- THEY LIE.I don't think this is what they are trying to combat. Its more the criminal and terror groups or people that are fighting the policy or cracking down.
I know of *one* ICE facility where there was a shooting, 3 non-citizens were hit. No ICE were hit. I have no idea who did it as the story has moved off the news.Did not an ICE facility get shot up and other shooters. Was not ANTIFA involved. Maybe a bomb threat.
This is a claim ICE likes to make. The reality is that "assaults" on ICE officers have gone from a few dozen last year to a couple hundred this year and that many of these assaults are extremely minor and even of the ones that have been charged, very few of the charges have "stuck".There have been riots and in some places its increased 1,000%.
They are not being "doxxed". What has been published are the names, faces, and operational location of some ICE/DHS officers. The names of police are not secrets. Home addresses, phone numbers, government ID numbers, etc that is doxxing. It is not what was done.I have seen people in streets throwing things at ICE agents. They are doxing them in the hope they and their family are identified and attacks and possibly killed.
CIS is an anti immigration group.Immigration Brief: Domestic Extremists Target ICE Officers
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Immigration Brief: Domestic Extremists Target ICE Officers
New analysis from the Center for Immigration Studies highlights the growing threat that ICE agents face from those who oppose border security and law enforcement. Last summer, Deputy Secretary of Homeland Security Claire Grady issued a warning to employees that they were under "heightened...cis.org
"Domestic terrorism" is not the issue.The Rising Threat of Anti-Government Domestic Terrorism: What the Data Tells Us
The number of domestic terrorist attacks and plots against government targets motivated by partisan political beliefs in the past five years is nearly triple the number of such incidents in the previous 25 years combined, according to new CSIS analysis of 30 years of domestic terrorism data in the United States.
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The Rising Threat of Anti-Government Domestic Terrorism: What the Data Tells Us
The number of U.S. domestic terrorist attacks and plots against government targets motivated by partisan political beliefs in the past five years is nearly triple the number of such incidents in the previous 25 years combined, according to new CSIS analysis.www.csis.org
ICE is violent against protesters. Uses excessive protest when making arrests. Detains citizens. They are the problem. Not because of their job, but because of how they do it. They dress like thugs and act like thugs.I agree if they are being violent. But what is violence. For some simply stopping undocumented immigrants is violence. If as a result that the mre radical arm of those who believe imigrants should not be stopped become violent what then. Should the government increase their protection and ability to combat these radicals. Or increase law and order as a result of it getting out of hand.
What is Hum?Hum this is what I am seeing. Were there not terror attacks on ICE facilities. Are not people in the streets attacking ICE agents just moving through the streets. Is not ANTIFA an organised terror group commiting terror against ICE. The articles above say otherwise. They speak of a rising terror full stop that is unjustified. If there is a rising terror should not the government be prepared.
This reminds me of the riots and violence in past revolutions. They have a right to protest but not use violence. The fact is overall violence is rising and theres been more terror attacks and shootings than in the last 30 years or more.
But not just for ICE. A general rising of violence and culture wars. Three attempts on Trump and Kirk is just a couple of examples. But other assassinations of people and shootings and violence is rising. The climate is heating up.
Hum is Antifa a group that uses violence and terror. If they did not do it then was this attack an act of terror against a government department. Is there any organised groups who are willing to commit violence and terror against the US government.
I don't know this story.Federal prosecutors have secured a grand jury indictment of two alleged followers of the antifa movement on terrorism-related charges stemming from their involvement in a July 4 attack on an ICE detention facility in Alvarado, Texas
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DOJ charges alleged antifa followers with terrorism offense for attack on Alvarado ICE facility
Two alleged antifa followers have been indicted in what appears to be the first time a charge of terrorism has been applied to followers of the anti-fascist movement.abcnews.go.com
DHS lies so freely at this point I have no reason to take any of their propaganda seriously.Anarchists and Rioters in Portland Illegally Dox ICE Officers and Federal Law Enforcement
Multiple organizations appear to be responsible for doxing these federal officers, including an anarchist and Antifa-affiliated group based in Portland called “Rose City Counter-Info” and another called “The Crustian Daily.” Both of these groups have published the names, pictures, and personal address of ICE officers on their websites.
If you add the above articles it seems Anifia is a rising problem that is willing to use violence and promote it. But also splinter groups are growing. A similar thing happened with BLM. These groups though well intended can promote radicalism. Many are linked to other terror groups.
Did you even read that article from Oct 2021?There is definitely a rising problem of radicalisation in US politics. But its also worldwide and the same basic divide of radical left and right.
The Rise of Political Violence in the United States
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The Rise of Political Violence in the United States | Journal of Democracy
In a deeply polarized United States, ordinary people now consume and espouse once-radical ideas and are primed to commit violence.www.journalofdemocracy.org
Retract your accusation. There two things above my "all nuts are gun nuts" comment. One was the thing (the one I fobbed off) was about the sniper shooting at an ICE intake where 3 detainees were shot. (And since this event has faded out of discussion, I don't know that we ever found out if the target was immigrants or ICE.) It was the last in a sequence of sniper type shootings with ambiguous "sniper-style" shootings where the motivation is unclear and political actors projected their opponents onto the shooters. I was getting sick of your post at that point, so I threw out some old thing. But it is the case that so many people have access to guns in this country that all sorts of unhinged people take shots at "associated" targets with confusing motivations.Is that a way of justifying whats happening.
This is why your attempts to discuss US politics are so frustrating, Steve. Ken Paxton is the AG of Texas. He was impeached (but not removed). He is corrupt and authoritarian and running for governor. If you want any credibility as to your knowledge of American politics, you should know these things. I don't claim knowledge of your current politics as the only one of your leaders I know is Chuck3.I don't know him but it seems the independent evidence supports his claim that political violence is rising and more are willing to use violence as a means.
The topic is ICE. Stick to it.Student acceptance of violence in response to speech hits a record high
According to FIRE’s annual College Free Speech Rankings survey, in 2020, the national average showed about 1 in 5 students said it was ever acceptable to use violence to stop a speaker. That number has since risen to a disturbing 1 in 3 students.
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Student acceptance of violence in response to speech hits a record high
In 2020, just 1 in 5 students said it was acceptable to use violence to stop a speaker. Now it’s 1 in 3 — a nearly 80% jump in five years.www.thefire.org
There’s a growing number of Americans who think violence might be necessary to get the country back on track
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There’s a growing number of Americans who think violence might be necessary to get the country back on track
Nearly a third of Americans – 30% – say people may have to resort to violence in order to get the country back on track, according to the latest PBS News/NPR/Marist poll.www.pbs.org
"human sciences"? What is your professional training in "human sciences"? Mine in physics is a Ph.D. and 25 years of subsequent work.I did and I am way ahead and your not keeping up. I said there were similarities between radicalism of Islamist and the radicalism that is behind the growing violence and terror attacks in the US. I explained this a bit above.
You cannot see this as your probably don't understand sociology and psychology of the thinking behind such radicalism. This is my area. Yours maybe physics but mine is human sciences.
I know, isn't it horrible how you guys are persecuted in countries where you are the majority. Please don't cry in my river, the salt will kill the fish.More of the same. More persecution of Jews and increasing persecution of Christians.
No steve, I got sick of your irrelevant links. International conflict has nothing to do with "why people hate ICE". I'm not going to give serious replies to all of your distractions.Really is that the trench you want to die in. You really don't think there is any truth to the UN assessments. I know they can be highly biased. But I just gave you ample independent evidence of this. Do you not notice the rise in unrest and civil conflicts, protests, riots in many nations. The increasing use of violence.
Do you believe in open borders. Or having some laws and regulations that can control and process people before they enter another nation.