Why didn't Jesus sin? How did He keep from sinning?

[honorthesabbath]

Just check my email. I had to chuckle!!

I love my toys!!!

Have you seen those little helicopters? They are made of styrofoam, with servo's in them. They are made to fly INDOORS--which is ok if your husband doesn't AIM it at you--lol. I have to admit they are cute.

BUT HE WON'T LET ME PLAY WITH IT!!!

He has been a radio control 'pilot' for 40 yrs. He has built many RC airplanes. We went to a yard sale many years ago--we found a 'trainer' with all the accessories. He said--'thats yours'--I'll teach you to fly these things. Boy was I excited!

Once he got it in the air, he handed me the controls--I got to fly for 15 seconds.

End of story!!

 

[mva1985]

Have you seen those little helicopters? They are made of styrofoam, with servo's in them. They are made to fly INDOORS--which is ok if your husband doesn't AIM it at you--lol. I have to admit they are cute.

BUT HE WON'T LET ME PLAY WITH IT!!!

He has been a radio control 'pilot' for 40 yrs. He has built many RC airplanes. We went to a yard sale many years ago--we found a 'trainer' with all the accessories. He said--'thats yours'--I'll teach you to fly these things. Boy was I excited!

Once he got it in the air, he handed me the controls--I got to fly for 15 seconds.

End of story!!

Aren't us men typical!?!

 

[reddogs]

1) God foreknew that His Son would overcome all temptations;
2) Christ obeyed God's will, denying his own human will.

That's why Christ didn't sin. And not because "he, being God, was not able to sin", as "orthodox (trinitarian) Christianity" teaches.

But why did Christ obey Gods will, was He forced, was He told, what made Him 'obey'?

 

[reddogs]

The Reader's Digest version of doc's post is: by faith. Same as us.

Wow, I feel that is what I am searching for as I feel that God would never allow Christ to have a advantage. He is a fair and honest broker even with eternal life and lays out all the understanding and gives it to us with the Holy Spirit, all we have to do is believe and have faith and God does the rest..............

This is why Jesus said we could do anything if we had faith as He knew:

Matthew 17:20
And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

 

[sentipente]

It came up in the discussion. I'll take it that you are going to refuse to answer the question. Fine.

I know a diversionary tactic when I see one. You can keep on repeating it all day if you wish. It is of absolutely no relevance and you ought to know it.

 

[sentipente]

You guys need to get your act together. If you believe something believe it. By definition God cannot sin against Himself. What you don't get is that the standard in the universe is the Creator. All these questions come from the premise that the standard in the universe does not reside in the Creator. Get your act together.

 

[TrustAndObey]

You guys need to get your act together. If you believe something believe it. By definition God cannot sin against Himself. What you don't get is that the standard in the universe is the Creator. All these questions come from the premise that the standard in the universe does not reside in the Creator. Get your act together.

Sentipente, some of us disagree with you. That's going to happen. To insinuate our act isn't together because we don't agree with you is a little egotistical.

Your explanation that He could not sin while in human form here makes me picture a big game of "show them something they can never live up to".

I don't believe it, I'm sorry.

Christ showed us that it is possible, through faith, to lead the life our Father calls us to lead. And if we fail, we can confess our sins and be cleansed of all unrighteousnes. Not just a little, but ALL....through faith.

It doesn't always FEEL like I'm forgiven, but I have faith that I am.

 

[sentipente]

Your explanation that He could not sin while in human form here makes me picture a big game of "show them something they can never live up to".

Where do you get the idea for that premise? Where is it even insinuated that He came to give us something to live up to? And how can the life we live after sin entered be compared to the life we live before sin entered? This is not about having something to believe in. It is about believing something that makes sense. God cannot sin against Himself. That's as plain as the nose on my face.

 

[TrustAndObey]

I see the words repeating on the screen, but I'm sorry, they do not match up with the words I read in scripture.

I disagree with you. It's that simple.

You can either love me anyway or put me on ignore, because you aren't going to teach me A THING. Only the Holy Spirit can teach me what I need to know, and it isn't what you're telling me.

Jesus is not the Father. He wasn't praying to HIMSELF and He didn't commend His spirit to Himself.

He had faith in the Father. Absolute, 100% faith in His Father.

 

[sentipente]

I have no interest in this conflict you are having with others as to whether Jesus is the Father. It is a non-discussion to me so why are you bringing it up in this discussion? All I did was ask a few questions about what you posted and you have avoided those questions.

 

[TrustAndObey]

I hope you realize how difficult it is to have a discussion with someone that thinks they have it all figured out and argues about any scripture provided.

I don't believe that you do have it figured out. And I KNOW I sure don't.

I have no conflict with "others" about Jesus not being the Father. No one here is my Judge.

Let every man be convinced in his own mind.

And let the Holy Spirit teach. You really aren't qualified to teach me about scripture, Sentipente, and I'm not qualified to teach you either.

But let us reason together.

 

[sentipente]

I hope you realize how difficult it is to have a discussion with someone that thinks they have it all figured out and argues about any scripture provided.

I wonder if that is the way other Christians feel about Adventists.

I have been an Adventist much longer than you have. I have been also trained in theology. I have struggled with these issues a long time. Yet you think I am not qualified to teach you. I won't argue with you on that but ask that you apply that principle generally. Do you?

 

[TrustAndObey]

I do apply the principle generally, but I do trust other people more than I trust some. That came from time.

You were trained in theology, but what if you were trained wrong? What if you're wrong and you're trying to teach me wrong as well?

I don't rely on anybody to tell me what scripture means, or how I should feel about a subject. Nobody. There is nothing human reasoning can teach me except not to rely on it.

The Holy Spirit teaches me. I know there is nothing so horrible that I've done in my life that the Holy Spirit would withhold information from me when I pray for it.

The best teachers in the world are the ones that lead by example, at least in my opinion. They're also teachers that point you in the right direction, but never tell you how you should decipher the information.

It really makes no difference to me if you've been an Adventist for many more years than I have Sentipente, or that you've been a Christian longer. I've still earned my penny. Amen.

 

[sentipente]

I do apply the principle generally, but I do trust other people more than I trust some. That came from time.

You were trained in theology, but what if you were trained wrong? What if you're wrong and you're trying to teach me wrong as well?

I don't rely on anybody to tell me what scripture means, or how I should feel about a subject. Nobody. There is nothing human reasoning can teach me except not to rely on it.

Listen to what you are saying. You just used human reasoning to say that you don't trust human reasoning. You don't want to be reasoned with because you want to do what you want to do. That's it. That's also your right but you need to understand what you are doing. Self-deception is the worst kind. You decide what is right and what is wrong.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Listen to what you are saying. You just used human reasoning to say that you don't trust human reasoning. You don't want to be reasoned with because you want to do what you want to do. That's it. That's also your right but you need to understand what you are doing. Self-deception is the worst kind. You decide what is right and what is wrong.

Sentipente, you just said "I have struggled with these issues for a very long time." Where am I to garner my trust from that statement that you finally figured it out and are capable of teaching me now?

You CANNOT teach me.

I don't decide what is right and what is wrong. I definitely used to, but I'm not a penknife believer like Jehoiakim and I cannot cut out the parts of scripture that I don't like or don't feel apply to me. It really is a double-edged sword because there are parts of scripture that tell me NOT to do something that I really used to like doing.

I pray for the Holy Spirit to guide me all the time. I have faith that He does, and I'm certain that you cannot. You'll just have to get over it, that's really all I can say.

The people I put trust in are the ones that show me an example and lead me to answers while never whispering a word about what I'm SUPPOSED to think it means.

Let every man be convinced in his own mind.

You don't have to worry about my salvation or my knowledge. It is not up to you to save me.

 

[mva1985]

You guys need to get your act together. If you believe something believe it. By definition God cannot sin against Himself. What you don't get is that the standard in the universe is the Creator. All these questions come from the premise that the standard in the universe does not reside in the Creator. Get your act together.

The Ten Commandments are a revelation of God's character so the standard of God and His Commandments are one and the same. So the Standard does indeed reside in Him because it is a part of Him.

 

[sentipente]

You CANNOT teach me.
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You don't have to worry about my salvation or my knowledge. It is not up to you to save me.

Now we get to the nub of the problem. Where did you get the idea that I am trying to teach you? I select my students very carefully. All I am doing here is exposing to you the aspects of your beliefs that you have not considered. Your statement about salvation and knowledge are a reflection of how you view these exchanges. I don't have to worry about your salvation. If you read my posts carefully you would know that your concern does not apply to me.

 

[sentipente]

The Ten Commandments are a revelation of God's character so the standard of God and His Commandments are one and the same.

Get your quotes right. You meant to say that they are a reflection of His character. By definition they can't be the same.

 

[StormyOne]

The Ten Commandments are a revelation of God's character so the standard of God and His Commandments are one and the same. So the Standard does indeed reside in Him because it is a part of Him.

Not even... to say that the 10 commandments are a revelation of God's character is like saying that the rules a parent makes up are a revelation of their character... as adventists we get it so twisted...

The revelation of God's character is LOVE... always has been always will be... what did Jesus say, Love God, love your fellow man. He said people are going to know you are mine because of your love....

We ignore the mountain of evidence pointing to love and say, the 10 commandments are a revelation of God's character... well if that is so, why weren't those commandments given in eden?

 

[mva1985]

Get your quotes right. You meant to say that they are a reflection of His character. By definition they can't be the same.

Semantics.