Why didn't Jesus sin? How did He keep from sinning?

[TrustAndObey]

 

[Jon0388g]

Wow, every wind of doctrine is blowing in this thread.

Can God sin?

JM

Can God die? No?

So Christ didn't really die for our sins?

This question seems to have been repeated quite a few times here in order to prove Jesus Christ could not have sinned.

Christ the man died on the Cross of Calvary for our sins. Christ the divine cannot die.

This IMO is the only logical, Biblical conclusion we can come to on this earth. Arguing on the logistics of Divinity intertwined with humanity is fruitless and confusing.


What I know is fact is: Christ the man did not sin throughout his entire life, "nor was any deceit found in His mouth." Zechariah says of the Branch "Behold, the man..."

It is plain in my sight that it is a doctrine of the devil that suggests Christ could not have faltered. Why?


"As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former lusts which were yours in your ignorance, but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behaviour." 1 Peter 1:14-15


"For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps, who committed no sin, nor was any deceit found in His mouth." 1 Peter 2:21-22


As usual, the integrity of God's law is in question, one way or the other.



Jon

 

[NightEternal]

Trust, that smiley is so you! I love it!

 

[TrustAndObey]

Wow, every wind of doctrine is blowing in this thread.






Can God die? No?

So Christ didn't really die for our sins?

This question seems to have been repeated quite a few times here in order to prove Jesus Christ could not have sinned.

Christ the man died on the Cross of Calvary for our sins. Christ the divine cannot die.

This IMO is the only logical, Biblical conclusion we can come to on this earth. Arguing on the logistics of Divinity intertwined with humanity is fruitless and confusing.


What I know is fact is: Christ the man did not sin throughout his entire life, "nor was any deceit found in His mouth." Zechariah says of the Branch "Behold, the man..."

It is plain in my sight that it is a doctrine of the devil that suggests Christ could not have faltered. Why?


"As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former lusts which were yours in your ignorance, but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behaviour." 1 Peter 1:14-15


"For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps, who committed no sin, nor was any deceit found in His mouth." 1 Peter 2:21-22


As usual, the integrity of God's law is in question, one way or the other.



Jon

You impress me every day little bro.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Trust, that smiley is so you! I love it!

In the words of my 13-year-old son..."oh I know right?!"

I still haven't quite figured out what that means, but I know he says it emphatically when he agrees with me and it doesn't really appear to be a question.

But yeah, the smiley is "me".

 

[Jon0388g]

Trust, that smiley is so you! I love it!

I second that!!! Lol!



Jon

 

[djconklin]

Great post Jon!

 

[reddogs]

Wow, every wind of doctrine is blowing in this thread.






Can God die? No?

So Christ didn't really die for our sins?

This question seems to have been repeated quite a few times here in order to prove Jesus Christ could not have sinned.

Christ the man died on the Cross of Calvary for our sins. Christ the divine cannot die.

This IMO is the only logical, Biblical conclusion we can come to on this earth. Arguing on the logistics of Divinity intertwined with humanity is fruitless and confusing.


What I know is fact is: Christ the man did not sin throughout his entire life, "nor was any deceit found in His mouth." Zechariah says of the Branch "Behold, the man..."

It is plain in my sight that it is a doctrine of the devil that suggests Christ could not have faltered. Why?


"As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former lusts which were yours in your ignorance, but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behaviour." 1 Peter 1:14-15


"For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps, who committed no sin, nor was any deceit found in His mouth." 1 Peter 2:21-22


As usual, the integrity of God's law is in question, one way or the other.



Jon

Jon,

You have been blessed with a keen mind, are you a student at a Adventist college, what are you studying if I may be so bold to ask...

Red

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Genetics 101. Half from the mother half from the father.

and Who was His Father ? (trick question - although why you brought up genetics is totally inexplicable if you know Who His Father is)

 

[JonMiller]

Christ is our example in that He had the divine in Him. So, we should have the divine in us. It wasn't that it is possible for fallen man to be sinless, and that we should all work to do so.

He had the divine in Him (He was the divine), and it was also this state of being divine which kept Him from sin.

Christ never accepted God's grace, He didn't need it. We are told in the Bible, that it is necessary for us. Why? Because we can't acheive a state of perfection. The wonderful news of the gospel isn't that Christ is an example, and will help us live like Him. Rather, the gospel is that Christ died in our place, and that His righteousness will stand in our stead.

He showed us the Father. And if He is in us, our life will become more like His.

JM

 

[reddogs]

Christ is our example in that He had the divine in Him. So, we should have the divine in us. It wasn't that it is possible for fallen man to be sinless, and that we should all work to do so.

He had the divine in Him (He was the divine), and it was also this state of being divine which kept Him from sin.

Christ never accepted God's grace, He didn't need it. We are told in the Bible, that it is necessary for us. Why? Because we can't acheive a state of perfection. The wonderful news of the gospel isn't that Christ is an example, and will help us live like Him. Rather, the gospel is that Christ died in our place, and that His righteousness will stand in our stead.

He showed us the Father. And if He is in us, our life will become more like His.

JM

So Christ is not our example and we should not follow Him but instead become like gods and have divine in us, isnt that what got us into trouble in the first place with the snake telling that to Eve...........

 

[sentipente]

So Christ is not our example and we should not follow Him but instead become like gods and have divine in us, isnt that what got us into trouble in the first place with the snake telling that to Eve...........

Your analysis is flawed. There is a difference between someone being your example and you choosing to follow the example of someone. There has never been a claim anywhere in the universe that humans can or cannot live sinless lives in a sinful environment. Adam did not live in a sinful environment until He sinned. What saddens me about these conversations is that there is no desire to learn because everyone thinks that his "faith" is sufficient. The same fkawed reasoning keeps coming up over and over and over again. And no one seems to care that the ideas they keep bending the rules of language to accomodate have not gotten us home. When will we wake up?

 

[StormyOne]

Your analysis is flawed. There is a difference between someone being your example and you choosing to follow the example of someone. There has never been a claim anywhere in the universe that humans can or cannot live sinless lives in a sinful environment. Adam did not live in a sinful environment until He sinned. What saddens me about these conversations is that there is no desire to learn because everyone thinks that his "faith" is sufficient. The same fkawed reasoning keeps coming up over and over and over again. And no one seems to care that the ideas they keep bending the rules of language to accomodate have not gotten us home. When will we wake up?

folks don't think there is a problem, so they are content with the language they use... when people say that Christ is our example I want to ask, does that mean then that we are to be divine/human as he was?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

is it not written in Scripture "ye are gods" ?

I think Jesus asked this in one or more of the Gospels.

 

[JonMiller]

Your analysis is flawed. There is a difference between someone being your example and you choosing to follow the example of someone. There has never been a claim anywhere in the universe that humans can or cannot live sinless lives in a sinful environment. Adam did not live in a sinful environment until He sinned. What saddens me about these conversations is that there is no desire to learn because everyone thinks that his "faith" is sufficient. The same fkawed reasoning keeps coming up over and over and over again. And no one seems to care that the ideas they keep bending the rules of language to accomodate have not gotten us home. When will we wake up?

I think I don't understand what you are saying, could you repeat using different language?

JM

 

[sentipente]

JM, if you are sent as my example then I have to follow you precisely then once I get the rules and the behavior that you have examplified down pat I no longer need you. Your role in my life is over. On the other hand, I may observe someone in my environment aspects of whose life I admire, and I may choose to copy some parts of that person's philosophy. I don't have to copy precisely because the person's life is only a model. Jesus came here as our Savior.

What bothers me is the duplicity in the claim that He is our Example. The people who claim that don't wear homespun, they are not homeless, they don't wander around with 12 guys, etc. They make this claim solely so they can feel superior to others.

 

[reddogs]

JM, if you are sent as my example then I have to follow you precisely then once I get the rules and the behavior that you have examplified down pat I no longer need you. Your role in my life is over. On the other hand, I may observe someone in my environment aspects of whose life I admire, and I may choose to copy some parts of that person's philosophy. I don't have to copy precisely because the person's life is only a model. Jesus came here as our Savior.

What bothers me is the duplicity in the claim that He is our Example. The people who claim that don't wear homespun, they are not homeless, they don't wander around with 12 guys, etc. They make this claim solely so they can feel superior to others.

Main Entry: 1ex·am·ple
Pronunciation: ig-'zam-p&l
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French essample, example, from Latin exemplum, from eximere to take out, from ex- + emere to take -- more at [SIZE=-1]REDEEM[/SIZE]
1 : one that serves as a pattern to be imitated or not to be imitated <a good example> <a bad example>
2 : a punishment inflicted on someone as a warning to others; also : an individual so punished
3 : one (as an item or incident) that is representative of all of a group or type
4 : a parallel or closely similar case especially when serving as a precedent or model
5 : an instance (as a problem to be solved) serving to illustrate a rule or precept or to act as an exercise in the application of a rule
synonym see [SIZE=-1]INSTANCE[/SIZE], [SIZE=-1]MODEL[/SIZE]
- for example /f&r-ig-'zam-p&l, [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]-/ : as an example [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]ere are many sources of air pollution; exhaust fumes, for example>

I think you are going a bit extreme in your usage of "example".......

 

[sentipente]

I think you are going a bit extreme in your usage of "example".......

You should have read what you posted. My first example corresponds to definition 4 and the second corresponds to definition 1.

 

[djconklin]

What bothers me is the duplicity in the claim that He is our Example. The people who claim that don't wear homespun, they are not homeless, they don't wander around with 12 guys, etc. They make this claim solely so they can feel superior to others.

Hmmm, by that standard most of the Apostles didn't follow Christ too well since they didn't have a dozen guys following them around.

They wore home-spun because they didn't have too many "factories" in those days making things.

I haven't seen anyone claiming that Chriost was their "example" who then went around "feeling superior" to others. And there's no way you could know that people are "feeling superior." It's not like when one feels burnt when touching a hot stove.

 

[sentipente]

It is the same mentality that produces the boastful claim, "I do this because this is what Jesus did." The purpose is to make the listener feel badly for not doing what Jesus did.