Why did Jesus Leave?

[amariselle]

I'm not saying it would be hard to believe if he were still around...read my post again.

Why? Most people believe he died...if he were still around that would be hard to believe lol.

I think you're seriously underestimating how much a living Jesus would change history. Certainly within at least a few centuries someone would get the idea of making a plaster cast of his head. There would be a lot of evidence...not to mention his magic miracle superpowers.

He WAS here among us, and He did change history. The fact that many choose to reject Him, does not change that.

And really? A plaster cast of His head? You do know that there are many relics out there already right? They are of course highly questioned and disputed. (The Turin Shroud for instance). Why would some plaster cast of Jesus' head be any different?

I don't think that is where our faith should lie anyway. When we need relics or objects to venerate in order to have more faith and trust in Jesus, then our faith isn't completely in Jesus at all, but in material things.

Well there's significantly less magicians, sorcerers, miracle workers and the like nowadays. I think it's important to remember that back then, people like him were on just about every street corner.

Actually there are many many magicians, sorcerers and miracle workers in the world today. (Although, much, if not most, of the "miracles" and signs and wonders they perform are counterfeit.)

If you take a look at things like Eastern Mysticism, the Occult and even some of what is going on in many Charismatic Christian churches (with the New Apostolic Reformation for example) you will see that there are many signs and wonders and spiritual experiences happening today. These things are not from God, however.

Nice story.

It's not simply a "nice story."

 

[amariselle]

Probably because there were so many like him.

There was no one like Him. There still isn't, and there never will be.

 

[amariselle]

It'd still beat a two thousand year old copies of a book by anonymous authors, yeah?

Do you know the history of the Bible? If you can't trust a "book" written over a period of roughly 1,500 years by 40 different authors on 3 different continents, do you honestly think you are going to trust a tweet on Twitter?

I don't think anyone who rejects the Bible would ever accept a tweet or post on social media. Why would they? Why is a tweet on Twitter more reliable? How would you ever know for sure who wrote it? People can be anyone they want to be online. Actually, I'm sure someone claiming to be Jesus has already tweeted numerous things on Twitter or posted messages on Facebook.

Does anyone think they are even the slightest bit credible? Hardly.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Does anyone think they are even the slightest bit credible? Hardly.

Oh 'twood that it 'twernt so !
Many people accept twitters , putting more faith and trust in them than in Jesus Himself !
(absolutely cannot go into this here though, besides being off topic)
OR, is it ? Suppose that if JESUS did not LEAVE, there wouldn't be ANY twitters ! ...

 

[HitchSlap]

Do you know the history of the Bible? If you can't trust a "book" written over a period of roughly 1,500 years by 40 different authors on 3 different continents, do you honestly think you are going to trust a tweet on Twitter?

I don't think anyone who rejects the Bible would ever accept a tweet or post on social media. Why would they? Why is a tweet on Twitter more reliable? How would you ever know for sure who wrote it? People can be anyone they want to be online. Actually, I'm sure someone claiming to be Jesus has already tweeted numerous things on Twitter or posted messages on Facebook.

Does anyone think they are even the slightest bit credible? Hardly.

I think Jesus could figure it out.

Me thinks you protesteth too much.

 

[HitchSlap]

There was no one like Him. There still isn't, and there never will be.

Jewish rabble rousers n Palestine 2,000 ya were a dime a dozen.

 

[HitchSlap]

He WAS here among us, and He did change history. The fact that many choose to reject Him, does not change that.

And really? A plaster cast of His head? You do know that there are many relics out there already right? They are of course highly questioned and disputed. (The Turin Shroud for instance). Why would some plaster cast of Jesus' head be any different?

I don't think that is where our faith should lie anyway. When we need relics or objects to venerate in order to have more faith and trust in Jesus, then our faith isn't completely in Jesus at all, but in material things.



Actually there are many many magicians, sorcerers and miracle workers in the world today. (Although, much, if not most, of the "miracles" and signs and wonders they perform are counterfeit.)

If you take a look at things like Eastern Mysticism, the Occult and even some of what is going on in many Charismatic Christian churches (with the New Apostolic Reformation for example) you will see that there are many signs and wonders and spiritual experiences happening today. These things are not from God, however.



It's not simply a "nice story."

Ha. Zero "relics."

 

[amariselle]

I think Jesus could figure it out.

Me thinks you protesteth too much.

I think Jesus HAS "figured it out", He knew exactly what He was doing, and why He isn't here in person to post on social media.

 

[amariselle]

Jewish rabble rousers n Palestine 2,000 ya were a dime a dozen.

That's all you think Jesus was? A "Jewish rabble rouser?"

Fair enough. If that's all you believe about Him, of course that will be your reasoning.

 

[amariselle]

Ha. Zero "relics."

Really now? Shall I provide links?

 

[HitchSlap]

Really now? Shall I provide links?

Knock yourself out.

 

[HitchSlap]

I think Jesus HAS "figured it out", He knew exactly what He was doing, and why He isn't here in person to post on social media.

I'm guessing he doesn't have WiFi?

 

[amariselle]

I'm guessing he doesn't have WiFi?

Yeah.....right.

 

[amariselle]

Knock yourself out.

The Holy Grail
The Seamless Robe of Jesus (Holy Coat of Trier)
The Holy Lance
The Crown of Thorns
The True Cross
The Shroud of Turin
The Veil of Veronica
Scala Sancta (Holy Stairs)
The Image of Edessa

There has long been a tradition (in my opinion highly untrustworthy) of venerating objects (relics) that are believed to have come in contact with Jesus or even the disciples.

I will repeat my earlier statement:

I don't think that is where our faith should lie anyway. When we need relics or objects to venerate in order to have more faith and trust in Jesus, then our faith isn't completely in Jesus at all, but in material things.

 

[Ana the Ist]

There was no one like Him. There still isn't, and there never will be.

I'm sure you believe that...however, back in those days there were many like him.

 

[stevenfrancis]

Just an observation. It often appears to me that the posts of non believers aren't really motivated by a sincere search for Christ in their own lives, nor even an honest attempt to understand the Christian experience and worldview. It can seem often more like an effort to criticize the Christian faithful, or even an attempt to dissuade the believer from their faith. Sorry. Even as I say this I'm aware of the cynicism this implies. May God bless us, and bring us all to his peace.

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[amariselle]

Just an observation. It often appears to me that the posts of non believers aren't really motivated by a sincere search for Christ in their own lives, nor even an honest attempt to understand the Christian experience and worldview. It can seem often more like an effort to criticize the Christian faithful, or even an attempt to dissuade the believer from their faith. Sorry. Even as I say this I'm aware of the cynicism this implies. May God bless us, and bring us all to his peace.

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I've observed the same things repeatedly in my time on this forum. I don't think that everyone here actually does have questions, quite a few have already made up their minds (or say they have) and seem to be more interested in playing games, asking the same questions over and over with no interest in the answers. Sometimes it even seems that some here want to convince Christians that they're wrong, and to wake up and see the error of their ways.

I don't understand why anyone would spend so much time every day attacking another person's faith on a forum dedicated to that faith. This is a Christian forum after all. Surely there are better things to do?

I'm not so concerned about myself in any case, but I do worry sometimes that a Christian who is new to their faith or going through a difficult time will be shaken by some of the caustic and derogatory things that have been said here.

When I joined this forum 12 years ago it was a very different place, and I came seeking encouragement and other Christians to talk with as I didn't have anyone close to me that I could talk with in person. (I was away at college). Back then there was a more kind and respectful atmosphere across the board here. I've considered just leaving sometimes, but I have hope that in some way, those who are here to honestly encourage and uplift one another, or to answer honest questions about the Christian faith, will still make a difference.

I do hope that people with honest motives will not be driven away by those with dishonest ones.

I too pray for God's blessings and His strength in difficult times.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

There was no one like Him. There still isn't, and there never will be.

No one claiming to be a messiah? Oh come on...

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I've observed the same things repeatedly in my time on this forum. I don't think that everyone here actually does have questions, quite a few have already made up their minds (or say they have) and seem to be more interested in playing games, asking the same questions over and over with no interest in the answers. Sometimes it even seems that some here want to convince Christians that they're wrong, and to wake up and see the error of their ways.

Excuse me, but you abandoned a thread because you refused to answer the questions put to you. So who is "playing games"?

I don't understand why anyone would spend so much time every day attacking another person's faith on a forum dedicated to that faith. This is a Christian forum after all. Surely there are better things to do?

More precisely, this is the philosophy forum.

I'm not so concerned about myself in any case, but I do worry sometimes that a Christian who is new to their faith or going through a difficult time will be shaken by some of the caustic and derogatory things that have been said here.

Why does that concern you? If the discussion here encourages them to consider their faith more closely, why would that be a bad thing?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Faith isn’t about proving something right or wrong. I believe it’s right for me. And I can share my beliefs, but if you disbelieve, it doesn’t make you right and me wrong. It doesn’t make me right and you wrong. We just have different beliefs.

And so long as we are happy with our respective beliefs, it doesn't matter whether they're true? Is that what you're saying?

I believe that if more people came to God, they’d live happier lives, but again, this is my belief. You can’t prove what I believe to be untrue, anymore that I can prove to you that it is true.

But I can explain to you why I don't believe it to be true.