why did Adam have reproductive organs

[Duane Morse]

These are exceedingly stringent requirements, to the point of impossibility and the denial of individuality. Are you stating a hypothetical union or your actual philosophy?

Or, is there a degree to the incompatibility; say, differences on political issues? Colors? Favorite ice cream flavors?

-spike-

There would be degrees, of coarse. But there would be nothing that you would fight over or that would cause you to drift apart. You are two halves of the same coin, different yet the same, if you know what I mean.

I do not mean for what I said to be a set of requirements. But you should feel as though your individuality is one with the other. Marriage is a joining, a merging. It is not meant to be temporary. If you see something in the other person that you would not want as a part of yourself, it is a danger sign. I do not mean physical appearance, but in their spirit.

 

[arizona_sunshine]

Marriage is a joining, a merging. It is not meant to be temporary.

Completely!

In the eternal perspective, at what point do you feel marriage is dissolved? Is it ever? What, in your opinion, is the eternal potential for a truely united, faithful couple?

 

[Duane Morse]

Arizona_Sunshine:
As natural beings, we fall in and out of allignment with the Lord... which is why we need the atonement. The ultimate goal, the "fullness of completion" you speak of, I agree, would be perfect unity, perfect allignment.

Question: Do you believe that perfect allignment can be made between an individual and the Lord? or only a united male, female and the Lord?

Our alignment with the Lord is basically in and out of the Light. We get closer and closer as time goes on. That is the perfecting process. The variance lessens.

There are actually two or three forms of the fullness of completion that I speak of.
I will use Adam as an example, but it applies to all of us.
The first is between (Adam and Eve) as one, the second between ((Adam the complete soul) and Jesus) as one, and the third is between ((Jesus complete with Man) and the Heavenly Father) as one.
And there is a fourth, as you suggest, in that Jesus makes each one of us, male or female, complete. The males will have a hard time accepting this, but Jesus is the only true Male, being the only begotten of the Father. Man, being the Bride of Jesus, is the female of the Son. So Jesus is actually Husband to all of us, whether we be male or female.

Hmmmmmmm..... I am really really not following the male + female thing. I believe my gender is part of my divine nature.
So it is. Gender itself is part of Gods divine nature. But the 2 genders are contained within the 1 whole, they are not outside of one another, they are one with each other. It is not (male) + (female), it is (male/female).

You make a lofty assumtion about my imaginative limitations.
Please, no offense is meant. The Lord has been in my mind, and I sometimes sound rather conceited. I'm sorry. I do not mean that yours is limited, but that mine has been expanded by what the Lord has shown me. I just have more to imagine about.

 

[Duane Morse]

Completely!

In the eternal perspective, at what point do you feel marriage is dissolved? Is it ever? What, in your opinion, is the eternal potential for a truely united, faithful couple?

At no point in the eternal is marriage dissolved. Marriage is eternal, which is why it is so important to God in the first place.

The eternal potential is limitless, boundless, and timeless.

 

[USincognito]

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

As was previously stated, the egg. There was a first genetic "chicken" from which all "chickens" are descended and that genetic progenator to what we call chickens would have been an egg before it was a walking clucking feed picking chicken.

This is, of course, unless one wishes to mince words over the meaning of "chicken" as stated in the original question.

 

[franklin]

if Adam was formed first without the expectation of Eve, did he not have reproductive organs? or did he somehow get them when Eve was made. (this is if you translate it literally)

I know this sounds silly, but answers anyone?

Since the Almighty is Omniscient according to the goodbook, he had to create both Adam n Eve with sex organs because in His Omniscience He knew they would need them to reproduce especially when His perfect creation became imperfect from falling into the corruption that took control of their natures from partaking of the forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

 

[m3a7ri9e2]

The Bible tells us that God's thoughts are not like ours. He is God and we are not. So we can not expect to understand everything. But we trust God. When one don't they start trying to make others who do look like they are stupid. But faith is far more than just hope. Understanding the prophecies gives more faith that is solid then anything else except Salvation itself. The change it makes in one is far more than faith, is is solid and true.
In making Adam, God never intended that he be alone. God had a plan and He made Adam as a man to show that before Eve was made, God had planned to make her and He had planned that they fill the earth. The Bible is sometimes written in a way to make one think otherwise. Like when God looked for Adam after they sinned. Do you really think God did not know where they were or what they did? Of course He did. Sometimes in order to understand verses we need to study what the rest of the Bible has to say about it in order to understand it's true meaning. When we study this way we find that the answers are there, they are just not put in a way that we are being served everything on a golden plater.

 

[Arthur Dietrich]

Wasn't there a period where Adam was alone? Why do I remember him wanting a companion...? How long after Adam was Eve made?

 

[Happiness in Him]

We don't have the answers to these questions. They are not really needed to know. It is important to understand Scripture through the whole Bible. When we get the big picture we can understand the small strokes that made it.

 

[spike]

If you see something in the other person that you would not want as a part of yourself, it is a danger sign. I do not mean physical appearance, but in their spirit.

Duane, I could not agree more. I made that mistake once, and paid a heavy price, in spirit and otherwise. I will not make it again.

-spike-

 

[LorentzHA]

partaking of the forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Yes, the last thing anyone should be doing is partaking from the tree of knowledge, who knows where that may lead

 

[Duane Morse]

Duane, I could not agree more. I made that mistake once, and paid a heavy price, in spirit and otherwise. I will not make it again.

-spike-

I made it more than once, before I got it through my thick skull.

 

[Duane Morse]

Yes, the last thing anyone should be doing is partaking from the tree of knowledge, who knows where that may lead

It was not just the tree of knowledge, it was the tree of a certain kind of knowledge. The knowledge of good and evil.

 

[Data]

It was not just the tree of knowledge, it was the tree of a certain kind of knowledge. The knowledge of good and evil.

Which brings up an interesting point. I really don't know the difference between 'good' and 'evil'. Does this make me innocent as Adam?

 

[ej]

Which brings up an interesting point. I really don't know the difference between 'good' and 'evil'. Does this make me innocent as Adam?

Not as easy as that for a man who has grown up in a society of people with morals, laws, etc...

 

[Duane Morse]

Which brings up an interesting point. I really don't know the difference between 'good' and 'evil'. Does this make me innocent as Adam?

Adam began innocent, until he questioned and defied the word of God.
Then he lost his innocence.
Have you ever done anything the Bible says is wrong out of your own free will? If so, then you too have fallen from innocence just as Adam did.
If you have never read the Bible, nor heard anyone preach from it concerning good and evil, have you ever disobeyed your parents? Broken a law of the land?
Just once is all it takes.
Have you ever been punished for doing something wrong? Was it justified?

If so, you have gained a little knowledge of what is good and what is evil. Hopefully the experience taught you to avoid doing that evil again.

None of us are innocent, ignorant maybe, but not innocent.

 

[LorentzHA]

It was not just the tree of knowledge, it was the tree of a certain kind of knowledge. The knowledge of good and evil.

So we were not supposed to know good and evil? Was that not part of the plan? If God knows past present and future did he not want it this way? If we did not know the difference how would we know we are doing good or bad? The whole New Testament would be pointless, because no one would know what Jesus was talking about when he spoke of good. I guess it is a good thing we ate from that tree, huh?

 

[Data]

Have you ever done anything the Bible says is wrong out of your own free will? If so, then you too have fallen from innocence just as Adam did.
If you have never read the Bible, nor heard anyone preach from it concerning good and evil, have you ever disobeyed your parents? Broken a law of the land?

Ahah. What the bible says is good and evil. Remember, I don't beleive in the bible. How is any of these things good or evil? How do I know what is good and evil?

None of us are innocent, ignorant maybe, but not innocent.

What was Adam then? I would say he was ignorant. Wasn't he supposed to be innocent?

 

[secretdawn]

if Adam was formed first without the expectation of Eve, did he not have reproductive organs? or did he somehow get them when Eve was made. (this is if you translate it literally)

I know this sounds silly, but answers anyone?

God knew before after during...he knows everything always and it is impossible to grasp, but i am sure he had them to start with in anticipation of eve.

 

[Duane Morse]

So we were not supposed to know good and evil? Was that not part of the plan? If God knows past present and future did he not want it this way? If we did not know the difference how would we know we are doing good or bad? The whole New Testament would be pointless, because no one would know what Jesus was talking about when he spoke of good. I guess it is a good thing we ate from that tree, huh?

We were meant to know, that is the only way for Life to progress.
Life must pass through death, once, in order to continue growing eternally.

One of those little (seeming) paradoxes.

In order to live eternally, one must die, once. But if one dies, life ends.
The only other way would be if one were perfect and could overcome death. Enter Jesus. Jesus overcame death by being the perfect Life, and through Jesus we can all overcome death.

Adam had to sin, had to eat from that tree. We are the Spirit of God given life, and the Spirit is separated into that of Light and that of darkness. Without gaining the knowledge of good and evil there could be no separation. And separation is necessary if evil is not to overcome good.

God did not force Adam to sin, merely gave the option. But it was inevitable that Adam would do so. Our very nature dictates that when given a choice we will try both options. We are the variable in the Equation. We are variance, personified.

Not all of us all the time, like, not every one of us murders another. But as Adam was the only one at the time, Adam eventually tried out an option. The only one that he was given, in fact. Everything was good for Adam except one thing, eating from one particular tree.
It probably drove him nuts just thinking about it until he did the deed. He was both innocent and ignorant, but the only way to gain the knowledge that would negate the ignorance would be to give up the innocence.

Catch-22 big time.

Jesus is the paradox. He is a man, and so is a variable. He is God, who has no variance. A variable with no variance. He is, at once, the variable and the constant in the Equation. Jesus is the most profound paradox there is.

But without Him, there would be no eternal Life for any of us.

It is a good thing we ate from that tree. Otherwise Life would have been totally stagnant, never growing, stunted.

God did know, and does know. It is the Plan, always has been.