why did Adam have reproductive organs

[LorentzHA]

We were meant to know, that is the only way for Life to progress.
Life must pass through death, once, in order to continue growing eternally.

One of those little (seeming) paradoxes.

In order to live eternally, one must die, once. But if one dies, life ends.
The only other way would be if one were perfect and could overcome death. Enter Jesus. Jesus overcame death by being the perfect Life, and through Jesus we can all overcome death.

Adam had to sin, had to eat from that tree. We are the Spirit of God given life, and the Spirit is separated into that of Light and that of darkness. Without gaining the knowledge of good and evil there could be no separation. And separation is necessary if evil is not to overcome good.

God did not force Adam to sin, merely gave the option. But it was inevitable that Adam would do so. Our very nature dictates that when given a choice we will try both options. We are the variable in the Equation. We are variance, personified.

Not all of us all the time, like, not every one of us murders another. But as Adam was the only one at the time, Adam eventually tried out an option. The only one that he was given, in fact. Everything was good for Adam except one thing, eating from one particular tree.
It probably drove him nuts just thinking about it until he did the deed. He was both innocent and ignorant, but the only way to gain the knowledge that would negate the ignorance would be to give up the innocence.

Catch-22 big time.

Jesus is the paradox. He is a man, and so is a variable. He is God, who has no variance. A variable with no variance. He is, at once, the variable and the constant in the Equation. Jesus is the most profound paradox there is.

But without Him, there would be no eternal Life for any of us.

It is a good thing we ate from that tree. Otherwise Life would have been totally stagnant, never growing, stunted.

God did know, and does know. It is the Plan, always has been.

Thanks for the candid, honest and intelligent response. Quite refreshing
-LorentzHA

 

[Duane Morse]

Thanks for the candid, honest and intelligent response. Quite refreshing
-LorentzHA

You're welcome.
Square root five plus one, divided by two.

 

[Data]

Square root five plus one, divided by two.

Golden Ratio? o.o

 

[Duane Morse]

Golden Ratio? o.o

Phi.
That silly little Equation is the basis for everything.

Square root five is Man's part in it. The variable.
One is Jesus' part, the constant.
But since Jesus is both God (One) and Man (square root five) He is both the constant and the variable.

 

[Data]

Square root five is Man's part in it. The variable.
One is Jesus' part, the constant.
But since Jesus is both God (One) and Man (square root five) He is both the constant and the variable.

Yeaa, ok.

Anyway, how is the square root of five not a constant?

 

[Duane Morse]

square root five is an irrational number.

 

[Data]

square root five is an irrational number.

Can't an irrational number also not be a constant? Can you provide something to back that up?

The more I think about it, the more insane this sounds. Pi is a constant and an irrational number.

 

[Duane Morse]

Can't an irrational number also not be a constant? Can you provide something to back that up?

The more I think about it, the more insane this sounds. Pi is a constant and an irrational number.

Pi is an irrational number that is used as a mathematical constant.
But as the actual value can not truly be known, how can it be constant?
As it is calculated out further and further, its actual value is constantly being refined, and as it is refined the "constant" changes.

Edited:
From one, and only one, point of view can pi or phi truly be a defined constant. That is from the point of view of God outside of time. Both values are known to God, and had to be before the Creation actually began.
It is inside time that they are variable, because they are ratio's that are ever being more closely calculated.

Jesus is the 'constant value' of square root five, He is the summation of the Equation. He is the Omega point, the End of the calculation as it were.
Alpha-Omega, the beginning and ending points of the Creation. He brings the variable to the constant, and the constant to the variable.

I'll add a little more, hoping to clarify a bit.
By variable I do not mean that the number itself changes, but that in calculating it the earlier stages have more variableness, if you know what I mean.
pi "for example, it can be defined using an infinite series:
pi/4 = 1 - 1/3 + 1/5 - 1/7 + 1/9 - . . ."
The fraction added or subtracted is smaller with each successive calculation, the variance lessens at each stage.

It is the same with phi. Using the Fibonacci Series which produces the logarithmic spiral, the ratio of each successive pair gets closer and closer to the actual value.

The value itself may be constant, but it's variableness depends on where you are in the equation. And we will never be able to determine its actual value in "time", because we will always have more time in which to calculate it.

 

[Data]

So pi and phi are constant. They aren't affected by our closest calculation of the numbers, as that isn't the number itself. Although we already have pi and phi, as you said, with an infinate series. The word 'phi' means the value phi, not the actual number as accurate as we can make it, right?

The same goes for the square root of 5. Isn't its irrational form the exact value anyway?

 

[LorentzHA]

Phi.
That silly little Equation is the basis for everything.

Square root five is Man's part in it. The variable.
One is Jesus' part, the constant.
But since Jesus is both God (One) and Man (square root five) He is both the constant and the variable.

Hey, I read something very interesting stuff about that this summer. The human body divides into this ratio as well. Phi=1.618, I believe.

 

[LorentzHA]

Phi.
That silly little Equation is the basis for everything.

Yup, sounds crazy..but you are right. Everything is broken down into Phi (fee). It is also called the "divine number".

 

[toff]

Phi.
That silly little Equation is the basis for everything.

Square root five is Man's part in it. The variable.
One is Jesus' part, the constant.
But since Jesus is both God (One) and Man (square root five) He is both the constant and the variable.

Umm....riiiiiight.

Sorry, but square root five is a constant, not a variable. It does not change under any circumstances. That makes it a constant.

Unless, of course, you are using 'constant' to mean something apart from what it means when talking about mathematical equations, in which case why did you use the term at all?

 

[Duane Morse]

So pi and phi are constant. They aren't affected by our closest calculation of the numbers, as that isn't the number itself. Although we already have pi and phi, as you said, with an infinate series. The word 'phi' means the value phi, not the actual number as accurate as we can make it, right?

The same goes for the square root of 5. Isn't its irrational form the exact value anyway?

The numbers themselves have to be a constant (God is One, and all these are contained within One, the ultimate constant), but how we use and deal with them are not because we can not know their true values, just close approximations.

The way I usually use it, phi would be the approximation that we use and Phi would be the actual value. Same with pi and Pi.

But Life is based on Phi, and the physical Pattern used to bring Life to perfection goes through values of phi to reach the ultimate goal of Phi.
In the earlier stages of Life there is much variableness due to the current state of phi in the spiritual/physical stage of Life that is being traversed. That variableness is what we know as good and evil. To far from Phi, up down or sideways, is considered evil.
That straight and narrow Way vs. the wide and wandering way.

We are still in the very early stages of Life, only in stage three. And the ratio here is still only at 1. In "heaven", the fourth stage, it is 2.
It is not until the sixth stage that the ratio is in the 1.6 range.

 

[paradigm man]

Because God is soveriegn, he knew that in Adam's architecture that Adam would need a woman. Because God allows things to happen, he, therefore, ordains things to happen. We don't live in a chance universe. All that happens can only happen because god ordains it.

 

[lucaspa]

if Adam was formed first without the expectation of Eve, did he not have reproductive organs? or did he somehow get them when Eve was made. (this is if you translate it literally)

I know this sounds silly, but answers anyone?

That's a very good question! Yes, a literal reading of Genesis 2 does raise that question, doesn't it?

Now, remember in Genesis 2 the birds and animals were created to be possible helpmeets for Adam. Now, if Adam already had genitals, you end up with the humorous concept that maybe Adam was supposed to do it with the sheep.

However, before you get too into this, remember that in Genesis 1 has God making men and women together. And are then commanded to be fruitful and multiply. So the problem of genitals doesn't arise.

I think you have just found another reason that the stories contradict and aren't supposed to be taken literally.

 

[JohnR7]

He means me, he cannot stand me and actually thinks I am on the Devil's payroll.

I think your pretty hard headed, does that count for anything?

 

[lucaspa]

But Life is based on Phi, and the physical Pattern used to bring Life to perfection goes through values of phi to reach the ultimate goal of Phi.
In the earlier stages of Life there is much variableness due to the current state of phi in the spiritual/physical stage of Life that is being traversed. That variableness is what we know as good and evil. To far from Phi, up down or sideways, is considered evil.
That straight and narrow Way vs. the wide and wandering way.

Ah, the pagan concept of Plato and Aristotle. The striving of life to reach the perfect form! Interesting to see that in a Christian forum. It's always fun to watch pagan concepts creep into Christianity.

How do you know what the perfect form is going to be?

 

[lucaspa]

Because God is soveriegn, he knew that in Adam's architecture that Adam would need a woman. Because God allows things to happen, he, therefore, ordains things to happen. We don't live in a chance universe. All that happens can only happen because god ordains it.

Uh, if that is the case, why did God go thru all the motion of making all the birds and animals to see if one would be a suitable helpmeet? Why not just skip to the end and make woman?

Sorry, you can't have it both ways. If God is so smart that He knows He will have to make woman, then God is really stupid for going thru all the birds and animals. OTOH, if God had to go thru all the birds and animals, then there is no need to make Adam with genitals.

 

[JohnR7]

I know this sounds silly, but answers anyone?

God told man to be fruitful and multiply. It would be pretty silly to tell them to be fruitful if He did not provide a way for them to multiply.

 

[JohnR7]

How do you know what the perfect form is going to be?

I have a pretty good idea of what perfection is, I have studied it quite a bit.