Why conservatives are boycotting paypal

[Belk]

I'd also be curious to know if there were any plans to open an office in Saudi Arabia like there were in NC. Or is it that there's no comparison and the outrage is all made up - the equivalent of "your company doesn't go bankrupt trying to eliminate world hunger therefore any smaller effort they make is hypocrisy". Or "your company isn't actively involved in plots to overthrow the governments of China, Russia and Saudi Arabia, therefore any comment they make about human rights is hypocrisy". I'm sure there's a name for that logical fallacy, but it sure is a stretch to find something to complain about here.

Red herring I believe. I have seen this type of argument from many different sources so it seems a lot of people find it compelling.

 

[Belk]

I would like to share your view but I am skeptical. I believe that, in the US at least, CEOs are legally obligated to maximize profits (see one of my earlier posts). This does not logically preclude the possibility of acting ethically, but it certainly reduces that motivation dramatically.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I am certain that the fact that by doing this they will have a favorable reaction from a large part of their customer base is a large part of this decision. I just do not think it is the only part.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Red herring I believe. I have seen this type of argument from many different sources so it seems a lot of people find it compelling.

Its called logic.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Businesses should stick with bettering their products and prices. They should be secular minded, shouldn't they?

What is religious about Paypal's position?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

They can do what they want, but when their motives are based in things disassociated with their business, people will talk. Or worse.

Seems like there's a lot of support for their position.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

That's what paypal 'hopes'.

Sure, that's what they're betting on.

I think a lot of the outrage over this is just sour grapes from conservatives realizing how alone they really are in this fight.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Seems like there's a lot of support for their position.

Yeah, Bruce Jenner might even open a line of credit there. He can use it in buying ladies underwear.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Yeah, Bruce Jenner might even open a line of credit there. He can use it in buying ladies underwear.

Same with the SSM debate, I think conservatives do themselves a great disservice to think the only support for a cause is from people directly affected by it.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Same with the SSM debate, I think conservatives do themselves a great disservice to think the only support for a cause is from people directly affected by it.

Bruce Jenner is not as supported as many progressives had hoped. Didn't his show get cancelled?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Bruce Jenner is not as supported as many progressives had hoped. Didn't his show get cancelled?

I was talking about support for Paypal. Not sure what Caitlyn Jenner has to do with anything I've said.

 

[Arcangl86]

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They can do what they want, but when their motives are based in things disassociated with their business, people will talk. Or worse.

They chose to open a new office in Charlotte. Part of the reason they chose Charlotte was that Charlotta had a local ordinance preventing discrimination among LGBT people and Veterans. The State then nullified this law. Paypal decided that as a result the environment in Charlotte was no longer one that they wanted for their employees and decided to look elsewhere. So how exactly is this disassociated with their business?

 

[Landon Caeli]

I was talking about support for Paypal. Not sure what Caitlyn Jenner has to do with anything I've said.

Oh. I thought you mentioned SSM and "causes" in general. My bad.

 

[Cute Tink]

Discussion of trans issues, specifically, is against the rules. Please keep to the topic at hand to avoid this thread being closed.

 

[TLK Valentine]

They can do what they want, but when their motives are based in things disassociated with their business, people will talk. Or worse.

People always talk -- let them. As for "worse," clearly PayPal doesn't think this is going to adversely affect their bottom line, so it seems unlikely that they're concerned.

 

[TLK Valentine]

They are not refusig to do business with people (God forbid they lose money) however it is very much like a parent punishing all their children for the misdeed of 1. It really is a very childish response.

Didn't God punish all of Creation in perpetuity for the misdeeds of 2 (3, if we include a talking serpent)?

Childish, indeed...

 

[Landon Caeli]

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They chose to open a new office in Charlotte. Part of the reason they chose Charlotte was that Charlotta had a local ordinance preventing discrimination among LGBT people and Veterans. The State then nullified this law. Paypal decided that as a result the environment in Charlotte was no longer one that they wanted for their employees and decided to look elsewhere. So how exactly is this disassociated with their business?

Well it's going to be fight, and parties on both sides who take 'action' will become targets. That's the way it goes.

 

[expos4ever]

Didn't God punish all of Creation in perpetuity for the misdeeds of 2 (3, if we include a talking serpent)?

Childish, indeed...

I believe we can legitimately read that story not as:

"God is in the punishment business and seemingly arbitrarily punishes the children for the sins of the parent"

....but that rather as:

"God took a risk in putting humans in a stewardship role over creation; part of that risk was that if humanity chose another path, creation itself would be damaged. And part of that damage is wrought on all humans born thereafter"

Note how, on this perspective:

1. The traditional idea of God as fully omnipotent is nuanced (I am perfectly comfortable with this);
2. God is not "punishing" people.

 

[Belk]

Its called logic.

No, red herrings are a fallacy. Claiming that any entity must act consistently in all situations regardless of how they vary is not logic.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Didn't God punish all of Creation in perpetuity for the misdeeds of 2 (3, if we include a talking serpent)?

Childish, indeed...

Please don't insult God on a Christian forum. It's disrespectful.

 

[expos4ever]

Claiming that any entity must act consistently in all situations regardless of how they vary is not logic.

I agree, but to the extent that paypal - or anyone else - "picks and chooses" which moral issues they will take a stand on is influenced by the profit motive, their moral credibility is severely diminished.

In short, if paypal claims the moral high ground in NC, but otherwise 'does business with the devil' in other places (where taking a moral stand would cost them $$), their implied claim to taking the high ground loses all credibility.