Why are there so few power miracles anymore?

[ByTheSpirit]

There are fewer street-side miracles because there are fewer street-side preachers.
Happy, hidden in their cultural approved church buildings. No danger. No confrontations. No insults, physical abuse, arrests. These are the things that make the sharing of the gospel real.
It is only as real as we make it.
I personally would love to see companies of prophets in every town and city preaching and proclaiming the Word.

This is exactly what I believe the Holy Spirit showed me, people have become comfortable. The church has become comfortable with it's conformity in the world. We can only walk in power as we are willing to be persecuted. I truly believe the two are intertwined like a rope.

It's real and it can be a bit frightening to start out with for sure. It's not to belittle that. But that commitment shows true faith and that kind of faith sees miracles happen.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

The problem is people began to realize that they were not perfect before being saved, and still were not afterwards, not matter how hard they truly wanted to be and/or tried, etc, and people became sick and tired of the abuse from the churches/pulpits on this matter, since they also realized those people also were not even close to perfect as well, etc...

So, what is the solution then...? You tell me, etc...?

Judgement, even God's judgement, is not so black and white...

If no sinners at all could be saved, then none can ever be saved...

Except Jesus or God Himself that is, and we know God wants more people than just only that, etc...

But I also do also get your point also though, people everywhere are way, way too much like the world, and walk in it's ways, ways that do not take sin nearly seriously enough at all, etc, so I get you there, but still also yet, none are perfect also, or as well, etc...

So when you find the final solution, let me know, ok...

But as of right now, I do think I know a thing or two on how God truly judges, and will truly judge in the end, etc...

God Bless!

I think it's a mindset thing, honestly. It grieves me so much to hear people who claim Christ say, I'm just a sinner.

Jesus said in John 8 those who sin are a slave to sin, and the slave has no place within the family. But if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed!

If we go about our day with this mindset of, I'm just a sinner and that's all I can do but praise God for forgiveness. Sure that sounds nice and Christianese. But we were called for more than that. He saved us and called us to a holy calling (2 Tim 1:9), be holy for I AM holy (1 Peter 1:15-16).

Can one who abides in Christ, also abide in sin? I say no. I really wish people in the church would stop normalizing sin by saying things like "I'm just a sinner if it's not one thing it's another." Get our minds off of things of this world, and put them upon things in the Spirit (Col 3:1-3, Phil 4:8, Romans 8:5-6) That's when freedom from things of the world comes and that's when POWER comes from on high.

 

[jiminpa]

I think it's a mindset thing, honestly. It grieves me so much to hear people who claim Christ say, I'm just a sinner.

Jesus said in John 8 those who sin are a slave to sin, and the slave has no place within the family. But if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed!

If we go about our day with this mindset of, I'm just a sinner and that's all I can do but praise God for forgiveness. Sure that sounds nice and Christianese. But we were called for more than that. He saved us and called us to a holy calling (2 Tim 1:9), be holy for I AM holy (1 Peter 1:15-16).

Can one who abides in Christ, also abide in sin? I say no. I really wish people in the church would stop normalizing sin by saying things like "I'm just a sinner if it's not one thing it's another." Get our minds off of things of this world, and put them upon things in the Spirit (Col 3:1-3, Phil 4:8, Romans 8:5-6) That's when freedom from things of the world comes and that's when POWER comes from on high.

I've actually asked someone who made the very pious sounding statement, "I'm just a sinner, saved by grace," which one they are. If you are saved by grace you are a new creation, and no longer a slave to sin. Yes, we do sometimes stumble, but that is not our nature any longer. One of the attributes of grace is empowerment, including the empowerment to walk in God's definition of righteousness.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

I've actually asked someone who made the very pious sounding statement, "I'm just a sinner, saved by grace," which one they are. If you are saved by grace you are a new creation, and no longer a slave to sin. Yes, we do sometimes stumble, but that is not our nature any longer. One of the attributes of grace is empowerment, including the empowerment to walk in God's definition of righteousness.

BINGO!

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I've actually asked someone who made the very pious sounding statement, "I'm just a sinner, saved by grace," which one they are. If you are saved by grace you are a new creation, and no longer a slave to sin. Yes, we do sometimes stumble, but that is not our nature any longer. One of the attributes of grace is empowerment, including the empowerment to walk in God's definition of righteousness.

Excellent post!
Can we all agree to these thoughts?

• An unsaved (not born again) person has a fallen spirit nature which Jesus implied was that the devil is their father.
• An unsaved (not born again) person has an unrenewed mind opposed to the knowledge of God. He is ill equipped to deal with this issue.
• An unsaved (not born again) person has a flesh that lusts. Lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and the pride of life. He is incapable of overcoming this flesh.
  
  
• A saved (born again) person has the divine nature of God in his spirit. God is his Father.
• A saved (born again) person also has an unrenewed mind that his to be renewed into the image of that divine nature he/she has received
• A saved (born again) person also has a flesh that lusts. He also has lust of the flesh, Lust of the eyes, and the pride of life. He must crucify that flesh.
  
  So, the difference between the born-again believer and those who are not born again is that the believer has the nature of God in his spirit and can now genuinely renew his mind and overcome the world (flesh). The man who is not born again is simply helpless to do anything about his fallen spirit, unrenewed mind, and lust of the flesh.
  The believer has all he needs to walk a sinless life. This is genuine salvation. Not just saved from hell and separation from God, but saved from the power of sin over his life.
  
  

 

[ByTheSpirit]

Excellent post!
Can we all agree to these thoughts?

• An unsaved (not born again) person has a fallen spirit nature which Jesus implied was that the devil is their father.
• An unsaved (not born again) person has an unrenewed mind opposed to the knowledge of God. He is ill equipped to deal with this issue.
• An unsaved (not born again) person has a flesh that lusts. Lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and the pride of life. He is incapable of overcoming this flesh.
  
  
• A saved (born again) person has the divine nature of God in his spirit. God is his Father.
• A saved (born again) person also has an unrenewed mind that his to be renewed into the image of that divine nature he/she has received
• A saved (born again) person also has a flesh that lusts. He also has lust of the flesh, Lust of the eyes, and the pride of life. He must crucify that flesh.
  
  So, the difference between the born-again believer and those who are not born again is that the believer has the nature of God in his spirit and can now genuinely renew his mind and overcome the world (flesh). The man who is not born again is simply helpless to do anything about his fallen spirit, unrenewed mind, and lust of the flesh.
  The believer has all he needs to walk a sinless life. This is genuine salvation. Not just saved from hell and separation from God, but saved from the power of sin over his life.
  

Makes me so happy to see some others who believe this as well!

 

[lismore]

Yes it is worth remembering that the Spirit of Elijah was with John the Baptist who never did a miracle. The ministry of Elijah then is fundamentally is one of seeing folks come to repentance.

So seek the gifts as we are encouraged to do but seek even more the gift of repentance.

If we got this the right way around the face many churches would change.

Acts 3:19 Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord. If the church doesn't see times of refreshing repentance is the solution.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

Acts 3:19 Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord. If the church doesn't see times of refreshing repentance is the solution.

Yes it is worth remembering that the Spirit of Elijah was with John the Baptist who never did a miracle. The ministry of Elijah then is fundamentally is one of seeing folks come to repentance.

So seek the gifts as we are encouraged to do but seek even more the gift of repentance.

If we got this the right way around the face many churches would change.

It's worth repeating that I believe a big part of the lack of true miracles is the watered down false message so many churches and ministers preach now. Repentance is not a word that is heard much any more. But I wholeheartedly agree. Before any power miracles can be seen, repentance must come first. And if we are going to be honest about it, repentance is to be sought more than anything else. Power miracles are awesome of course, but repentance is what leads to salvation and that's the ultimate goal right? But still, it ties into the OP as well.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Yes it is worth remembering that the Spirit of Elijah was with John the Baptist who never did a miracle. The ministry of Elijah then is fundamentally is one of seeing folks come to repentance.

So seek the gifts as we are encouraged to do but seek even more the gift of repentance.

If we got this the right way around the face many churches would change.

Excellent observation.

 

[Guojing]

I answered that for you already, read my last response again thanks

Is it this?

Of course God made a way for salvation, only if we obey Him.

I need to obey God and do what?

 

[Guojing]

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• The believer has all he needs to walk a sinless life. This is genuine salvation. Not just saved from hell and separation from God, but saved from the power of sin over his life.

So if a believer does not walk a sinless life, then his salvation is not genuine to you?

 

[ARBITER01]

This is exactly what I believe the Holy Spirit showed me, people have become comfortable. The church has become comfortable with it's conformity in the world. We can only walk in power as we are willing to be persecuted. I truly believe the two are intertwined like a rope.

It's real and it can be a bit frightening to start out with for sure. It's not to belittle that. But that commitment shows true faith and that kind of faith sees miracles happen.

Carrying your cross is not an easy thing,....it takes a real dedication and discipline. Most people are worried about themselves, not Jesus. That may strike people wrongly, but ultimately it is true.

The first step is a desire, which you have, the second step is spending time with The Lord to figure out how to do it, and then following through. The only problem after that will be satan.

 

[Neogaia777]

I think it's a mindset thing, honestly. It grieves me so much to hear people who claim Christ say, I'm just a sinner.

Jesus said in John 8 those who sin are a slave to sin, and the slave has no place within the family. But if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed!

If we go about our day with this mindset of, I'm just a sinner and that's all I can do but praise God for forgiveness. Sure that sounds nice and Christianese. But we were called for more than that. He saved us and called us to a holy calling (2 Tim 1:9), be holy for I AM holy (1 Peter 1:15-16).

Can one who abides in Christ, also abide in sin? I say no. I really wish people in the church would stop normalizing sin by saying things like "I'm just a sinner if it's not one thing it's another." Get our minds off of things of this world, and put them upon things in the Spirit (Col 3:1-3, Phil 4:8, Romans 8:5-6) That's when freedom from things of the world comes and that's when POWER comes from on high.

I agree that is a problem, and have already agreed it is a problem, etc, but we still sin, even still sometimes habitually with certain things still, even after being saved still, etc, or we still sin a certain sin or certain type or set of sins habitually still, but supposedly unknowingly, etc, ("supposedly", etc) still, even after supposedly being saved still, etc...

So, either way, what is the solution...?

Are people just supposed to "try harder", etc...?

Because many have tried enough, etc, and are very, very sick of the more pharisitical types judging them, especially when those very same people can also very clearly see all the sins that all the more pharisitical types are very, very guilty of and "supposedly commit in ignorance", "supposedly", etc, and with sins that are sometimes even very much greater, or that are very much far more worse, than these other people that are trying to be overcoming their sins, etc...

So, what is the solution...?

Are people just supposed to "try more" or "try harder"...? or what...?

And also maybe please explain to me also exactly why it is that we should seek to be better or more clean (or much more clean) than the much more pharisitical types also...? Because I'm sure others ask themselves that question "a lot", or "quite a bit", etc...?

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Acts 3:19 Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord. If the church doesn't see times of refreshing repentance is the solution.

Show me a perfect person, and then I will admit their equality with Jesus, etc...

But I'm still only going to follow only Jesus, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

I have the Spirit of God, but still sometimes sin still...

Are any of you in doubt of this...?

Because if so, I would ask that you please say so, or please voice it right now please, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Jesus healed, forgave, spent a lot of time with, etc, the much more common people, or comman man (and woman), who probably sinned a lot more in man's eyes (or outwardly) than the Scribes and Pharisees ever did, etc, and in fact, I'm certain of it/that, etc, but Jesus accused the Scribes and Pharisees of having more sin, or greater sin, etc, and spent very very little time with them, etc, and didn't spend his time trying to heal or deliver them, etc, and I'm very, very sorry if the more common man (or woman) (or people) today can see that still even right now today, but it is also how Jesus saw it back then, and still maybe might even right now today, etc...

I know that I can certainly still see it right now today, etc...

But, can you...?

God Bless!

 

[Carl Emerson]

Jesus healed, forgave, spent a lot of time with, etc, the much more common people, or comman man (and woman), who probably sinned a lot more in man's eyes (or outwardly) than the Scribes and Pharisees ever did, etc, and in fact, I'm certain of it/that, etc, but Jesus accused the Scribes and Pharisees of having more sin, or greater sin, etc, and spent very very little time with them, etc, and didn't spend his time trying to heal or deliver them, etc, and I'm very, very sorry if the more common man (or woman) (or people) today can see that still even right now today, but it is also how Jesus saw it back then, and still maybe might even right now today, etc...

I know that I can certainly still see it right now today, etc...

But, can you...?

God Bless!

While we were yet sinners Christ died for us.

The old man is dead - totally disempowered.

So the foundation of fellowship is Acceptance and Love.

However His Love compels us to righteousness.

He knows we are but clay.

And love draws us to be more like Him.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

I agree that is a problem, and have already agreed it is a problem, etc, but we still sin, even still sometimes habitually with certain things still, even after being saved still, etc, or we still sin a certain sin or certain type or set of sins habitually still, but supposedly unknowingly, etc, ("supposedly", etc) still, even after supposedly being saved still, etc...

So, either way, what is the solution...?

Are people just supposed to "try harder", etc...?

Because many have tried enough, etc, and are very, very sick of the more pharisitical types judging them, especially when those very same people can also very clearly see all the sins that all the more pharisitical types are very, very guilty of and "supposedly commit in ignorance", "supposedly", etc, and with sins that are sometimes even very much greater, or that are very much far more worse, than these other people that are trying to be overcoming their sins, etc...

So, what is the solution...?

Are people just supposed to "try more" or "try harder"...? or what...?

And also maybe please explain to me also exactly why it is that we should seek to be better or more clean (or much more clean) than the much more pharisitical types also...? Because I'm sure others ask themselves that question "a lot", or "quite a bit", etc...?

God Bless!

You're missing the point I think.

Does God make empty promises? Does He tell us to do something then not give us the power to do it?

Be ye holy for I am holy.

Does He tell us that then not give us the ability or power to do it?

The point isn't your sin. The point is who you are in Christ. The Holy Spirit lives within all who believe. As we obey the Holy Spirit we grow in righteousness and holiness.

We are all commanded to put off childish things. Look at it like this. The spiritual life mirrors physical. A child is born and for some time needs milk to strengthen it's bones and mature. But the child will eventually be able to crawl, then walk, then run, then before long the child is an adult, no longer entertained by childish things.

When we are born again we are babes in Christ, needing spiritual milk. But we are also told to mature in Christ. Put off childish thing and grow in ever increasing holiness.

Romans 6:19 Just as you used to offer the parts of your body in slavery to impurity, now offer them in slavery to righteousness leading to Holiness.

We need to focus on who we are in Christ. Not dwelling on the flesh, but filling our mind on the Spirit and things of the Spirit (Romans 8:5-6, 1 Cor 2:16, Phil 4:8, Col 3:1-2)

If you stumble, you can ask for forgiveness and keep going. But God doesn't see us as sinners once we are in Christ, so why should we?

 

[ByTheSpirit]

Carrying your cross is not an easy thing,....it takes a real dedication and discipline. Most people are worried about themselves, not Jesus. That may strike people wrongly, but ultimately it is true.

The first step is a desire, which you have, the second step is spending time with The Lord to figure out how to do it, and then following through. The only problem after that will be satan.

I agree

 

[ByTheSpirit]

Is it this?



I need to obey God and do what?

I know you are asking to try and figure out what I am saying, and that's fine. But I have answered these questions already.

The gospel is that we have all sinned and fallen short of God's glory. As a result we are condemned to death, separated completely from God, unable to do anything that pleases Him no matter how hard we try. But what we were unable to do, he did. By sending Jesus to earth, in our likeness, and offering Himself on the cross. By his blood we have redemption and forgiveness for God declares that without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

Now this sacrifice only saves those who obey. And what is obedience?

It's having faith, but it's more than just a verbal commitment, for faith without works is dead being alone (James 2:14-26). We repent, we get baptized, confess Jesus as our Lord to walk in obedience, and receive the Holy Spirit that gives us new life.

Not life according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. Babies need spiritual milk to grow, but as we mature in Christ we are expected to put off childish things. Growing in holiness in righteousness.

Romans 6:18
As you used to offer your members as slaves to sin, now offer them as slaves to righteousness leading to Holiness.