Why are there religious people?

[HitchSlap]

What does the bible have to say about abortion?

 

[GrimKingGrim]

Well, if you mean I'm not all for it, you're right.
I was, a few years ago. Then I saw a made for kids movie all about families that featured families with two moms or two dads, teaching little children that this is "normal".
No, it is not "normal". I think we all know that "normal" sex involves two genders...male and female. Now, if you prefer your own gender, that's fine...I have no objections as long as everyone involved is a consenting adult. I might think you're all weird, but it isn't up to me to choose for other people. Do whatever you want to do, marry whoever you want to marry, I could care less.

BUT KEEP IT AWAY FROM THE KIDS!!

Could I say the same about religious indoctrination or?

 

[TheBarrd]

All depends how one defines "perversion".

perversion
noun [C/U] us /pərˈvɜr·ʒən/
[C/U] (UNNATURAL PERSON) [/paste:font]
› sexual behavior that is considered unnatural and morally wrong
perversion noun [C/U] (CHANGE)
› a change in the way you behave or live that is not socially acceptable:
[C] What we’re being shown here is not normal family life, it’s a perversion of that.

Homosexuality is not natural. Whether it is morally wrong or not depends on your beliefs. As a Christian who believes in the Bible, I believe it is morally wrong...for Christians.

It is definitely NOT "normal family life". Without both genders, there is no natural family.

 

[TheBarrd]

Could I say the same about religious indoctrination or?

I'm not indoctrinating your kids, nor is anyone else as far as I know.

 

[GrimKingGrim]

I'm not indoctrinating your kids, nor is anyone else as far as I know.

By teaching them that things in the bible are both normal and completely real that is indeed indoctrination.

 

[bhsmte]

perversion
noun [C/U] us /pərˈvɜr·ʒən/
[C/U] (UNNATURAL PERSON) [/paste:font]
› sexual behavior that is considered unnatural and morally wrong
perversion noun [C/U] (CHANGE)
› a change in the way you behave or live that is not socially acceptable:
[C] What we’re being shown here is not normal family life, it’s a perversion of that.

Homosexuality is not natural. Whether it is morally wrong or not depends on your beliefs. As a Christian who believes in the Bible, I believe it is morally wrong...for Christians.

It is definitely NOT "normal family life". Without both genders, there is no natural family.

You have a problem, gay sex has always been a natural occurrence in humans and even animals. Just because it doesn't occur in a large percentage, doesn't mean it does not naturally occur. Just as with people who grow to be 7 feet tall is outside of the norm, but it is naturally occurring in humans.

 

[TheBarrd]

By teaching them that things in the bible are both normal and completely real that is indeed indoctrination.

What I teach my own kids in my own house is none of your business. If you don't want your kids exposed to Christianity, that is your business.
As far as I know, Christian films are pretty much labeled as such.
The film I'm talking about gave no hint that it would be presenting same gender parents as "normal". If it had, I would have blocked it.

 

[TheBarrd]

You have a problem, gay sex has always been a natural occurrence in humans and even animals. Just because it doesn't occur in a large percentage, doesn't mean it does not naturally occur. Just as with people who grow to be 7 feet tall is outside of the norm, but it is naturally occurring in humans.

Like I said, I grew up on a farm. I've seen animal sex.
Animals have sex with their young...even grandparents to grandchildren. It's very normal for them. Should we legalize it?
Animals are very much into interspecies sex. My little dog has never given up on my daughter's cat. Should we legalize it?
Animals, with very few exceptions, don't really care about privacy. When the urge hits, they act on it, even if people are watching. Should we legalize sex in public?
Let's see...incest, pedophila, bestiality....
Have you ever seen kitty cat love? Most likely you haven't...they do like privacy...
However, kitty love is very violent. More like rape, actually.
Oh, and chicken love is also quite violent. I've actually seen it happen that the rooster kills his lover during the act.
So, we can add sadism to our list.
Yes, and necrophilia, too...although that one is very rare...
Now, some of these things do occur in very large percentages...such as incest and pedophilia. Perhaps there is more of that in the animal kingdom than gay sex. So, by your logic, we should legalize these things.
Of course, I am not suggesting that we actually should do so. Yes, it is normal for animals...

 

[bhsmte]

Like I said, I grew up on a farm. I've seen animal sex.
Animals have sex with their young...even grandparents to grandchildren. It's very normal for them. Should we legalize it?
Animals are very much into interspecies sex. My little dog has never given up on my daughter's cat. Should we legalize it?
Animals, with very few exceptions, don't really care about privacy. When the urge hits, they act on it, even if people are watching. Should we legalize sex in public?
Let's see...incest, pedophila, bestiality....
Have you ever seen kitty cat love? Most likely you haven't...they do like privacy...
However, kitty love is very violent. More like rape, actually.
Oh, and chicken love is also quite violent. I've actually seen it happen that the rooster kills his lover during the act.
So, we can add sadism to our list.
Yes, and necrophilia, too...although that one is very rare...
Now, some of these things do occur in very large percentages...such as incest and pedophilia. Perhaps there is more of that in the animal kingdom than gay sex. So, by your logic, we should legalize these things.
Of course, I am not suggesting that we actually should do so. Yes, it is normal for animals...

None of what you state, changes the fact it is naturally occurring in humans and animals and always has been.

 

[FireDragon76]

What exactly is "objective evidence"? It seems to me people will disagree on that.

 

[FireDragon76]

I think the subject of homosexuality should just be avoided on this forum in debates about the merits of Christian belief... it's not fair in a debate as not all Christians agree on how to respond to this issue, and the site rules prevent defending it on biblical grounds. The rule reflects more on people that run this site, than on actual Christian denominations- some Christians get extremely emotional about the subject.

I would hate anybody to turn down faith in Jesus Christ simply because they perceive Christians as anti-gay. In my experience, it's much more complicated than that, even for those belonging to denominations or churches that affirm traditional beliefs about human sexuality.

 

[HitchSlap]

I think the subject of homosexuality should just be avoided on this forum in debates about the merits of Christian belief... it's not fair in a debate as not all Christians agree on how to respond to this issue, and the site rules prevent defending it on biblical grounds. The rule reflects more on people that run this site, than on actual Christian denominations- some Christians get extremely emotional about the subject.

I would hate anybody to turn down faith in Jesus Christ simply because they perceive Christians as anti-gay.

But Christians are anti-gay. It's best to be up front with unbelievers.

 

[bhsmte]

What exactly is "objective evidence"? It seems to me people will disagree on that.

I use the terms; "objective" and "empirical" interchangeably. It is evidence that can be verified through testing and observation.

http://www.livescience.com/21456-empirical-evidence-a-definition.html

 

[Ana the Ist]

Like I said, I grew up on a farm. I've seen animal sex.
Animals have sex with their young...even grandparents to grandchildren. It's very normal for them. Should we legalize it?
Animals are very much into interspecies sex. My little dog has never given up on my daughter's cat. Should we legalize it?
Animals, with very few exceptions, don't really care about privacy. When the urge hits, they act on it, even if people are watching. Should we legalize sex in public?
Let's see...incest, pedophila, bestiality....
Have you ever seen kitty cat love? Most likely you haven't...they do like privacy...
However, kitty love is very violent. More like rape, actually.
Oh, and chicken love is also quite violent. I've actually seen it happen that the rooster kills his lover during the act.
So, we can add sadism to our list.
Yes, and necrophilia, too...although that one is very rare...
Now, some of these things do occur in very large percentages...such as incest and pedophilia. Perhaps there is more of that in the animal kingdom than gay sex. So, by your logic, we should legalize these things.
Of course, I am not suggesting that we actually should do so. Yes, it is normal for animals...

Your statement was that it wasn't natural... it is by your own admission.

No one said that because it's natural it should be legal...the reasons that it should be legal are entirely different.

But now at least we all know you realize it's perfectly natural.

 

[FireDragon76]

But Christians are anti-gay. It's best to be up front with unbelievers.

No, that's not really true. Even with many of the folks that belong to churches that affirm traditional teachings on human sexuality, the motivation is not being "anti-gay", but faithful to their tradition as they see it.

 

[FireDragon76]

I use the terms; "objective" and "empirical" interchangeably. It is evidence that can be verified through testing and observation.

http://www.livescience.com/21456-empirical-evidence-a-definition.html

Logical positivism was a fad in the 20th century but fewer philosophers take it seriously today. There are things that can be said to exist by reasonable people that cannot be verified empirically. You can't touch "love" for instance, or taste "happiness". Yet many people believe they exist objectively.

Not only that, but logical positivism is self-refuting, since its claims are not empirically verifiable.

 

[quatona]

Full Definition of FAITH
1
a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty
b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2
a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion
b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3
: something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>
— on faith
: without question <took everything he said on faith>

Do you have a "firm belief" that there are no aliens called Greeble living on Pluto?[/quote)
No - what gives you this idea?

If so, you have faith according to this definition of the term.

And since not so, I don´t. Case closed.

 

[bhsmte]

Logical positivism was a fad in the 20th century but fewer philosophers take it seriously today. There are things that can be said to exist by reasonable people that cannot be verified empirically. You can't touch "love" for instance, or taste "happiness". Yet many people believe they exist objectively.

Not only that, but logical positivism is self-refuting, since its claims are not empirically verifiable.

I have no idea what this has to do with what I stated.

What does human emotion have to do with observing the same results in testing done by science?

 

[FireDragon76]

I have no idea what this has to do with what I stated.

What does human emotion have to do with observing the same results in testing done by science?

God can be known to exist in the same way love is known to exist. Neither one is observable empirically.

 

[GrimKingGrim]

What I teach my own kids in my own house is none of your business. If you don't want your kids exposed to Christianity, that is your business.
As far as I know, Christian films are pretty much labeled as such.
The film I'm talking about gave no hint that it would be presenting same gender parents as "normal". If it had, I would have blocked it.

You're absolutely right. What you wanna teach is your business.

But when it comes to education and children we should use material that are grounded in the real world. Same sex couples and parenting are normal and common. I don't see what makes them any less normal than a man who's left handed in a world that designs tools for only right handed people. Or less normal than someone who is born with gigantism in a world building doors for people six feet and under.