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Why are there religious people?

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GrimKingGrim

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If you can't figure out The FSM is a man made God that's your issue not mine.

Seems pretty real to me. He's all loving and accepting and all powerful. His presence is absolutely undetectable. But evidence of his work is everywhere.
 
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The problem seems to be that you think atheists should be neutral. This is more-or-less a polite way of telling us to "shut up". It's an attempt to exclude us from the discourse by equating the very act of participating as a violation of neutrality. There is no way for us to discuss religion 'neutrally', at least not in a manner consistent with your definition of 'neutrality', so we are necessarily not neutral, but so what? If we were 'neutral', per your definition, we wouldn't even be here and this conversation could not take place. Your attempt to elevate 'neutrality' as some sacred norm is a subtle gesture toward the door. If we take that exit, and only those who are 'neutral' remain, then it's you alone in the room. Even then, are you neutral?

No, you still don't get it, all's I'm saying is that when Atheism is promoted in that way it becomes a belief. It's ok to be a belief, but it is faith in the doctrines of doubt that are just as unproven as mans faith in God.
 
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No, you still don't get it, all's I'm saying is that when Atheism is promoted in that way it becomes a belief.
Only if you are trying to twist "disbelief" into "belief".
It's ok to be a belief, but it is faith in the doctrines of doubt that are just as unproven as mans faith in God.
Are you disparaging those that doubt things unproven, like your god? Is that accurate?
 
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No, you still don't get it, all's I'm saying is that when Atheism is promoted in that way it becomes a belief. It's ok to be a belief, but it is faith in the doctrines of doubt that are just as unproven as mans faith in God.

Nope. Atheism is the null set.

You claim a god/s exist, then demonstrate.

Do you find your faith in not collecting stamps to be unproven?
 
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Nope. Atheism is the null set.

You claim a god/s exist, then demonstrate.

Do you find your faith in not collecting stamps to be unproven?

I disagree, promoting godless ideals on a Christian forum, or attempting to undermine, mock or impugn the faith of believers indicates the willful promotion of a belief.

When defending God or faith to Atheist I'm under no delusions as to what I'm promoting.
 
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I disagree, promoting godless ideals on a Christian forum, or attempting to undermine, mock or impugn the faith of believers indicates the willful promotion of a belief.

It's often considered ridicule. Don't see the promotion. Everyone here seems to ridicule or mock at one point. Doesn't mean promotion.

Promoting "godless" ideals? Example of that?
 
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I disagree, promoting godless ideals on a Christian forum, or attempting to undermine, mock or impugn the faith of believers indicates the willful promotion of a belief.

When defending God or faith to Atheist I'm under no delusions as to what I'm promoting.

I like to think of my time here on CF, as the willful promotion of meaningful dialogue with the pious doctrines of theists. It helps understanding when you can see it from another point of view.
 
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It's often considered ridicule. Don't see the promotion. Everyone here seems to ridicule or mock at one point. Doesn't mean promotion.

Promoting "godless" ideals? Example of that?

That God is a delusion and the many derivatives of that theory.
 
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I wouldn't just happen to join an Atheist forum for small talk.
I joined a forum that´s open to all sorts of world-views, beliefs and non-beliefs and dedicated to the discussion of philosophy and ethics and morality.
Not for small talk, and not for the discussion whether or which god exists (which I am pretty apathetic and indifferent about - in my view it´s the most boring topic ever) - but for having conversations on the topics of these forums.
That the fact that I happen not to believe in any gods (i.e. am an atheist) makes you jump to conclusions, mind reading and false equivocations on every turn is your problem, and certainly not mine.
 
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