Why are some Christians anti Evolution?

[AV1611VET]

"Final"? I think the word you're looking for is "punchline."

One needs credentials and authority to teach in an academic setting... just fyi.

Just FYI, your remarks always remind me of ... when I was in college ... the student who thought everything was a big joke.

They didn't have to ask him to leave, he left on his own; after about only three weeks.

He too "waited for the punchline" -- for three whole weeks.

 

[SelfSim]

Just FYI, your remarks always remind me of ... when I was in college ...

They didn't have to ask him to leave, he left on his own; after about only three weeks.

He too "waited for the punchline" -- for three whole weeks.

You were in college for 3 weeks???
Studying what???

 

[stevil]

You (and TLK) certainly get an A for effort!

I appreciate the responses.

We have taken the time to do the test. When are you going to actually mark them?
I'd also appreciate you providing the official answers.
I'm keen to know if I beat TLK and go to the top of the class.
Although I think TLK cheated, I think he might have read the bible, his answers seem a bit more, well, knowledgeable, than mine. Just saying...

Although TLK I must point out that not all stars began at the same time. The Sun is about 4.6 billion years old, Methuselah is (listen very carefully, because I'm going to say this once, very quickly, very quietly and a bit mumbleish too) older than the universe.
And then various stars are of various ages, but in general there were stars well before our sun came to be.

 

[AV1611VET]

We have taken the time to do the test. When are you going to actually mark them?

Answers:

1.Explain the difference between creatio ex nihilo and creatio ex materia; and give two examples of each.

1. Creatio ex nihilo is the act of creating mass/energy from nothing. Examples would be the earth and the stars.
2. Creatio ex materia is the act of creating something from already existing mass/energy. Examples would be the earth's landmass and angiosperms.

2. God = Elohim (Genesis 1) and LORD God = JEHOVAH Elohim (Genesis 2).

3. Eden in the Bible is known as Pangaea on a secular map.

4. Frame story.

The rest later.

 

[ottawak]

Sorry for the accusation.

I don't quite understand the various denominations
Looking here I see that Evangelical Protestants are the largest group in USA with 25%
and it is made up of lots of subgroups such as Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian...
Are all of these Conservative or just a subset?

Religion in America: U.S. Religious Data, Demographics and Statistics

Just a subset.

Christian fundamentalism - Wikipedia.

 

[TLK Valentine]

You were in college for 3 weeks???
Studying what???

mustnotreplyandgetbannedmustnotreplyandgetbannedmustnotreplyandgetbanned....

 

[SelfSim]

mustnotreplyandgetbannedmustnotreplyandgetbannedmustnotreplyandgetbanned....

Huh? @AV or me?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Thanks. Looks interesting. I just found the Amazon Kindle version for $7.50.

I've added it to my pile of digital books waiting patiently to be read.

I know what you mean - I have a pile of physical books and a pile of digital books waiting to entertain and educate me. I thought the pandemic lockdowns would help, but no... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[AV1611VET]

Huh? @AV or me?

Me.

 

[SelfSim]

Me.

Hmm .. ok .. (limited) apologies .. I was unaware.
Criticize science/scientists/acedemia in general though, and my apologies will be rescinded.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Although I think TLK cheated, I think he might have read the bible, his answers seem a bit more, well, knowledgeable, than mine. Just saying...

If actually reading the Bible is considered "cheating" in a course about creationism, then I've already learned as much as I need to.

Although TLK I must point out that not all stars began at the same time. The Sun is about 4.6 billion years old,

This is true -- and since the universe is in a constant state of growing, dying, and rebirthing, there was never any point in time where one could consider it "finished."
If it's unfinished, it was never "perfect," and thus could never have "fallen."
So original sin and atonement theology are more or less shot -- but that's a subject for another thread.

Methuselah is (listen very carefully, because I'm going to say this once, very quickly, very quietly and a bit mumbleish too) older than the universe.

Not likely, since according to Genesis 5 (The "filler" chapter), Methuselah is part of an absurdly long lineage which begins at, allegedly, Adam.

And then various stars are of various ages, but in general there were stars well before our sun came to be.

Indeed -- I can only refer to the currently visible stars as a reference -- and for simplicity's sake, I'll assume that, at least in creationist terms, they were created around the same time, as the Sun is no more than another in a grand multitude of stars.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Huh? @AV or me?

I have so much I could say about AV's "studies" -- it's just a perfect set-up line...

But I'll behave myself... for a change.

 

[AV1611VET]

The rest later.

5. Put the following in order that they appeared in the universe: whales, stars, trees, sun, land, sea, outer space.

5. Answer: Outer space, sea, land, trees, sun, stars, and whales.

6. What day was Adam created on?

6. Answer: Adam was created on the sixth day.

7. Was the universe created a closed system and, if not, what kind of energy did it run off of? if it was created open, what closed it?

7. Answer: The universe was created an open system, running off of Shekinah energy. After the Fall, God withdrew this energy and the universe began winding down in a state of entropy.

8. Describe terra aqua and what kind of water it consisted of and why.

8. Answer: Terra aqua was a ball of seawater in the hollow of God's hand.

9. Photosynthesis required light from the sun prior to the Fall. true or false?

9. Answer: False

10. Explain how a 24-hour day could transpire before the sun was created.

10. By one rotation of the Earth on its axis.

11. Explain the difference between "miracles" and "magic."

11. Answer: Miracles are supernatural acts, whereas magic uses "smoke and mirrors."

12. When discussing Creationism, why should one never let himself stray from Genesis 1 or 2?

12. Answer: If you do, you'll get pulled away into everything but the events of the Creation Week: the Fall, the Flood, prophecy, miracles, you name it.

13. Why is "heaven" singular in Genesis 1, but plural in Genesis 2?

Answer: God created two more "heavens" after Genesis 1:1. In Genesis 2, "heavens" is plural because all three (atmosphere, outer space, Heaven proper) are being referenced.

 

[AV1611VET]

This is true -- and since the universe is in a constant state of growing, dying, and rebirthing, there was never any point in time where one could consider it "finished."

Not quite.

When God rested (finished His work) on the seventh day, it was from doing acts of creatio ex nihilo, not creatio ex materia.

He would indeed do many more acts of creatio ex materia throughout the Bible: Moses' rod turning into a serpent, Aaron's rod budding, the cruse of oil for the widow of Zarephath, Jesus feeding the five thousand, turning water into wine, etc.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Not quite.

When God rested (finished His work) on the seventh day, it was from doing acts of creatio ex nihilo, not creatio ex materia.

He would indeed do many more acts of creatio ex nihilo throughout the Bible: Moses' rod turning into a serpent, Aaron's rod budding, the cruse of oil for the widow of Zarephath, Jesus feeding the five thousand, turning water into wine, etc.

I think you mean creatio ex materia here.

When your jargon confuses only yourself, you've missed the point.

 

[AV1611VET]

I think you mean creatio ex materia here.

I think I mean creatio ex nihilo here.

The Creation Week was a series of miracles that raised the level of mass/energy from zero to what it is today.

Had Jesus used creatio ex nihilo to feed the five thousand, the level of mass/energy in the universe would be raised accordingly.

But He didn't speak those baskets of food into existence from nothing (i.e., nihilo).

He brought atoms that He already created in Genesis 1 together.

 

[SelfSim]

I think I mean creatio ex nihilo here.

The Creation Week was a series of miracles that raised the level of mass/energy from zero to what it is today.

Had Jesus used creatio ex nihilo to feed the five thousand, the level of mass/energy in the universe would be raised accordingly.

But He didn't speak those baskets of food into existence from nothing (i.e., nihilo).

He brought atoms that He already created in Genesis 1 together.

Oy vey!

 

[stevil]

5. Put the following in order that they appeared in the universe: whales, stars, trees, sun, land, sea, outer space.

5. Answer: Outer space, sea, land, trees, sun, stars, and whales.

That's almost right. The sun and the stars are in a rather awkward position in that list, but otherwise, not too bad. I was actually going quite open minded into this one. It would have been very exciting if whales was the first on the list, but trees coming before Sun and stars is certainly a conversation starter.

6. Answer: Adam was created on the sixth day.

Whelp, even I got that one right.

7. Answer: The universe was created an open system, running off of Shekinah energy. After the Fall, God withdrew this energy and the universe began winding down in a state of entropy.

The bible actually talks about entropy??? or did you just make that last bit up?
You can admit to it, it's not a big deal.

When I googled Shekinah I found the following

Shekhinah: Energy of the Divine Feminine — At The Well
Shekhinah takes female pronouns and offers many unique images of the Divine that evoke traditionally female-gendered characteristics. It is said that the Shekhinah “dwelt in” the Holy Temple in Jerusalem in days of our ancestors. Since the Temple’s destruction, Shekhinah spirit now dwells amongst the Jewish people in diaspora. The Shekhinah’s presence is also connected to other female-gendered aspects of the Divine, including Mother Earth, the Sabbath Queen, and definitely the guiding light of the moon.

Shekhinah - Wikipedia
The shekhinah is the English transliteration of a Hebrew word meaning "dwelling" or "settling" and denotes the dwelling or settling of the divine presence of God.

This term does not occur in the Bible, and is from rabbinic literature.

I found this second article quite shocking though.
"This term does not occur in the Bible, and is from rabbinic literature."

So in light of this discovery I have to ask. Has your answer been approved by the rest of your church organisation? Is it acceptable to seek answers from rabbinic literature?

8. Answer: Terra aqua was a ball of seawater in the hollow of God's hand.

I know the song, and it's the whole world in his hands, not just the sea water.

9. Photosynthesis required light from the sun prior to the Fall. true or false?

9. Answer: False

Really, "Photosynthesis" is mentioned in the bible?

10. Explain how a 24-hour day could transpire before the sun was created.

10. By one rotation of the Earth on its axis.

That's a pretty obvious one. But I still stand by my own answer, especially because when Earth first came to be a full rotation was much less than 24 hours.

11. Explain the difference between "miracles" and "magic."

11. Answer: Miracles are supernatural acts, whereas magic uses "smoke and mirrors."

I'm sure some smart aleck in your class is going to point out the distinction between magicians and illusionists. Harry Potter is a wizard (a type of magician), David Copperfield is an illusionist. Only one of these two does magic, the other does illusions which look like magic but aren't.

So I think here my answer is correct and yours is wrong.

12. When discussing Creationism, why should one never let himself stray from Genesis 1 or 2?

12. Answer: If you do, you'll get pulled away into everything but the events of the Creation Week: the Fall, the Flood, prophecy, miracles, you name it.

That's consistent with my answer. We are both right here <gives virtual high five>

13. Why is "heaven" singular in Genesis 1, but plural in Genesis 2?

Answer: God created two more "heavens" after Genesis 1:1. In Genesis 2, "heavens" is plural because all three (atmosphere, outer space, Heaven proper) are being referenced.

Never heard of the three heavens.

Kinda similar to the Chinese three domains though
Living in the Chinese Cosmos | Asia for Educators
According to Chinese popular religion, there are three domains in the cosmos — Heaven, Earth, and the Underworld — and each domain is populated by a host of important gods and goddesses. The Heavenly Domain is ruled by the Jade Emperor, who presides over a court of important deities who are worshipped throughout China. Human beings who have lived exemplary lives can enter this domain after death by crossing the “the silver bridge” and being reborn as gods.

 

[stevil]

I think I mean creatio ex nihilo here.

creatio ex nihilo means from nothing. Like adding more mass/energy to the universe.

creatio ex materia means from stuff that's already there. Like turning water to wine.

Perhaps it's late where you are. I'm sure you'll see this more clearly after a good sleep.

 

[AV1611VET]

The bible actually talks about entropy??? or did you just make that last bit up?

Romans 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

From the Defender's Study Bible footnotes on Romans 8:21, author Henry M. Morris:

"Corruption" is equivalent to "decay," and this is yet another way of stating the entropy principle. Everything tends to decay, running down from a created state of organized complexity to one of randomness and disorganized chaos. This law is thus called a "bondage;" the universe is enslaved by it, and there is no natural principle available to supersede it. Such a law is clearly the exact converse of the notion of evolution, which views the universe as gradually organizing itself over long ages by natural processes into its present state of high complexity and activity."