Why are some Christians anti Evolution?

[stevil]

I would agree that children need critical thinking skills.

We teach kids critical thinking skill so that they can grow up to be independent. We want to prepare them to stand up for themselves and become an adult. Adults need critical thinking skills.

I don't know your views on this as I have seen atheists go either way, some are with the woke others I have seen are very against it. But the world is not the same as it was during the second world war.

I don't want to get into USA wedge issues here. I don't want to get political in this conversation.
But I agree, the world is ever changing.

The funny thing is I very much believe in questioning and discovering but that is the mind, the spirit doesn't work like that.

I don't understand anything with regards to spiritual matters.

Until I found God 30 years ago I didn't get it either. But meeting God is always personal between your spirit and Gods spirit. It can't be shown or proved, it just is.

I have never met god.

This is why I question science and the motives behind some of it. Simply a quest for knowledge and truth to help build society...? I doubt it. People come with bias and selfish reasons to any job path.

Science is merely a method for objective discovery. It doesn't necessarily have a purpose other than to discover and question.

I enjoyed answering, thank you for being polite enough to listen. Far too often it's a sparing match on here. I'm a big believer in agreeing to disagree but I would not be doing my duty as a Christian if I didn't answer to the best of my ability for I do believe it.

Yes, thanks for being cordial. I don't want to argue. I'm keen to discuss ideas and learn.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I think 'wokeness' is actually a result of some pretty deep critical thinking on social issues like actually dealing with inequality issues, other than by pure aggression and being tempted by getting the buzz that comes from dominating others.
(It may have gone a little overboard in some circles however .. I'm no particular fan of it .. but there again, I'm sure my parents were no fans of some of my behaviours in my youth too).

It's actually kind of funny that "woke" was originally Gen Z slang for politically active and/or aware, and the boomer generation managed to turn it into an insult -- because the last thing the powers-that-be would want is a politically active/aware youth.

I do agree that it does occasionally go overboard; just a case of sometimes having too much of a good thing.

See what I don't get is that there's probably millions of ordinary human beings who have sacrificed themselves for altruistic reasons since he did his thing .. and even before that time. And I'd also bet those people had no thoughts of him and his sacrifices just before they did theirs too.
What about them? Doesn't what they did count?

I doubt the people who sacrificed themselves did so expecting any such comparison... which is exactly how it should be.

We need more people willing to do what's right because it is right -- enough of "WWJD" and more of "WSID" (What Should I Do?)

The presumption there, is that we are unable to shield ourselves from harm. Yet I see exactly that happening every single day. Doesn't that count? None of those acts are necessarily performed because of any Laws, too. Doesn't that also count?

Protecting oneself from harm is important, but sometimes in order to live our fullest lives, we need to risk it: "A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." ~ J.A. Shedd.

"As far as we know, a creature who can: define life, contemplates its beginning, anticipates its termination and raise the question of its meaning, is a rare thing. So if God is a source of life, then the only way I can appropriately worship God is by living fully.
“If God is a source of love, then the only way I can worship God is by loving, loving wastefully. I mean the kind of love that never stops to calculate, never stops to wonder whether the object of its love is worthy to its recipient. It is love that loves not because it has been earned. That’s where I think God is made visible.” ~John Shelby Spong.

Do we risk harm by living and loving in this way? Of course.
Is it worth it? Absolutely.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I just found a book on the subject and bought it (its a slow day ).

Can Animals be Moral by Mark Rowlands.

Can Animals Be Moral? - Oxford Scholarship (universitypressscholarship.com)

That would be a good companion to:

Conscience: The Origins of Moral Intuition by Patricia S. Churchland.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I think 'wokeness' is actually a result of some pretty deep critical thinking on social issues like actually dealing with inequality issues, other than by pure aggression and being tempted by getting the buzz that comes from dominating others.
(It may have gone a little overboard in some circles however .. I'm no particular fan of it .. but there again, I'm sure my parents were no fans of some of my behaviours in my youth too).

Yup. There have always been intersex individuals, but they're fairly rare. Now greater social freedoms for the individual in the liberal West mean that those who are psychologically inter or cross-gender feel able to express themselves in public, and social media allows them to interact with others that feel the same way, ending their relative social isolation and giving them a sense of empowerment... so the norms are shifting.

You're right that such social movements can go a little overboard - they tend to provoke a reaction or backlash to which they overreact in turn - then it becomes a matter of protests over perceived 'rights'. But after a while, it dies down and mainstream society adjusts to the new norm (except for some of the older and more conservative types). It happened with the gay movement and disability recognition, and is in progress for gender identity. I'm not a fan of the mess gender pronouns have become - hopefully they'll settle down to something clear, consistent, and grammatical.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Seriously? Not only is that not what I said, but I don't know any non-believers who think that. AFAIK, the popular understanding is 'eternal hellfire' - although some have picked up on the postmodernist version along the lines of, 'absence of, or being away from, God for eternity', and think it sounds pretty much like everyday life

But I suspect that, like me, most mature non-believers would find an eternity of partying and drinking and drugs and naked girls poolside becoming hellish within a week or two, and I've heard plenty say that existing for eternity under any conditions would be hell - IOW, you haven't experienced boredom & horror until you've done everything you ever wanted to do an infinite number of times...

Im sorry I misunderstood your intention in that post, my apologies.

 

[ottawak]

OK, we don't need to fight over it or put others down.

I'm not putting anybody down. Conservative Evangelical Protestants have openly and intentionally rejected traditional formal theology as extraneous to Scripture.

 

[Larniavc]

Ok. The core of my belief is humans are not animals. Contrary to evolutionists. This is my last post. Thanks for engaging!

Thanks for disengaging?

 

[Larniavc]

Quite often -- however, on a long enough timescale, nature always wins in the end.

To be fair, nature is trying to kill every living thing. Organisms can only stave off death forever.

 

[Astrid]

To be fair, nature is trying to kill every living thing. Organisms can only stave off death forever.

Huh?

 

[Larniavc]

Instead they seem to be trying to refute the science behind ToE without actually understanding the science.

This is exactly what happens. Then they moan when nobody takes them seriously.

 

[Larniavc]

Huh?

The natural world is trying to kill you every day. Pathogens, inclement weather, predators, even the oxygen we breath damaged our cells.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

To be fair, nature is trying to kill every living thing. Organisms can only stave off death forever.

I guess that's one way of looking at it... But it might not be the only way.

Of course, I get it. How we "see" the work of nature kind of depends on which side of the bed we get up on at the beginning of any given day.

 

[Astrid]

This is exactly what happens. Then they moan when nobody takes them seriously.

And complain about the label " ignorant".

We would of course love to see a serious challenge from
an educated person. "How come monkeys" isnt it.

 

[Astrid]

The natural world is trying to kill you every day. Pathogens, inclement weather, predators, even the oxygen we breath damaged our cells.

Ok, it was the phrasing that confused me

 

[AV1611VET]

We would of course love to see a serious challenge from an educated person.

Sure.

Take my creationism test:

1. Explain the difference between creatio ex nihilo and creatio ex materia; and give two examples of each.
2. Explain the difference between "God" and "LORD God".
3. Eden in the Bible is known as __________ on a secular map.
4. What literary device reconciles Genesis 1 and Genesis 2?
5. Put the following in order that they appeared in the universe: whales, stars, trees, sun, land, sea, outer space.
6. What day was Adam created on?
7. Was the universe created a closed system and, if not, what kind of energy did it run off of? if it was created open, what closed it?
8. Describe terra aqua and what kind of water it consisted of and why.
9. Photosynthesis required light from the sun prior to the Fall. true or false?
10. Explain how a 24-hour day could transpire before the sun was created.
11. Explain the difference between "miracles" and "magic."
12. When discussing Creationism, why should one never let himself stray from Genesis 1 or 2?
13. Why is "heaven" singular in Genesis 1, but plural in Genesis 2?

Or would you recognize a "serious challenge" if you saw one?

 

[TLK Valentine]

And complain about the label " ignorant".

A few wear it as a badge of honor... which just goes to show the sad state of creationists' "honor."

 

[Occams Barber]

That would be a good companion to:

Conscience: The Origins of Moral Intuition by Patricia S. Churchland.

Thanks. Looks interesting. I just found the Amazon Kindle version for $7.50.

I've added it to my pile of digital books waiting patiently to be read.

OB

 

[Hans Blaster]

Sure.

Take my creationism test:

1. Explain the difference between creatio ex nihilo and creatio ex materia; and give two examples of each.
2. Explain the difference between "God" and "LORD God".
3. Eden in the Bible is known as __________ on a secular map.
4. What literary device reconciles Genesis 1 and Genesis 2?
5. Put the following in order that they appeared in the universe: whales, stars, trees, sun, land, sea, outer space.
6. What day was Adam created on?
7. Was the universe created a closed system and, if not, what kind of energy did it run off of? if it was created open, what closed it?
8. Describe terra aqua and what kind of water it consisted of and why.
9. Photosynthesis required light from the sun prior to the Fall. true or false?
10. Explain how a 24-hour day could transpire before the sun was created.
11. Explain the difference between "miracles" and "magic."
12. When discussing Creationism, why should one never let himself stray from Genesis 1 or 2?
13. Why is "heaven" singular in Genesis 1, but plural in Genesis 2?

Or would you recognize a "serious challenge" if you saw one?

Yes, AV, we understand that we wouldn't pass the creationist entrance exam. This is fine, since we aren't applying for jobs at the "Ark Encounter".

 

[Astrid]

Yes, AV, we understand that we wouldn't pass the creationist entrance exam. This is fine, since we aren't applying for jobs at the "Ark Encounter".

Shouldnt be too hard.
Just cut n paste from creosites, or
simply make things up.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Shouldnt be too hard.
Just cut n paste from creosites, or
simply make things up.

The only way to truly pass this "test" would be to scrape every non-numerical post of AV's from this board and train an AI with them. Then ask the AI the questions one by one and edit as needed the answers.