Why are some Christians anti Evolution?

[Bradskii]

Oh, you're going to make me go to the backroom and dig through some boxes aren't you?

I don't want a reading list. You said: 'I credit Jesus of Nazareth for much of the ideological and ethical (re)direction in the world'. Not 'I read some books that credit Jesus...etc'.

I want to know why you credit Him with that.

 

[AV1611VET]

Good... But is what Paul was selling the same product that Jesus originally produced?

How would you know if he was?

After all, aren't you one that thinks the Crusades were done with respect to the Bible?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Probably not. Should it have been?

Should Christianity be based on the teachings of Christ? Seems like a no-brainer to me.

I'm under the impression that different people have different perspectives on ... well... just darn near about anything we may think or encounter around us in this world.

Why would we expect Paul to be any different on this epistemic count? Because of the Holy Spirit?

Isn't that what the Holy Spirit is supposed to do for Christians? Help guide them and discern correct teachings?

Don't get me wrong; people can follow whoever they please, but it seems misleading to deliberately name it after the wrong fellow... Just because "Paulianity" doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I don't want a reading list. You said: 'I credit Jesus of Nazareth for much of the ideological and ethical (re)direction in the world'. Not 'I read some books that credit Jesus...etc'.

That's good. I didn't want to work that hard anyway.

I want to know why you credit Him with that.

Shouldn't you be asking what I mean by that statement first, especially since it was directed at another poster? Just knowing the kinds of assumptions that are brought onto CF by various atheists, I probably don't mean what you thought I meant.

I don't mean to say that the world has magically been morally revitalized by a tsunami of Christian morality as far as the eye can see. No, Jesus didn't come to spark a 'social revolution,' as much as we all wish He had.

My answer is simpler than all this. Jesus gave the spark we needed to become aware that 'freedom' and 'compassion' could be live options. Of course, that's not all He did. But on the side of crediting Him for moral redirection, the above is what I mean.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

What is your purpose for Hades?

I have no purpose for Hades. I didn't create either the concept or its cruddy English translation, so "Hades if I know" what its purpose is. But I can give you the bible college answer they gave me decades ago.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Should Christianity be based on the teachings of Christ? Seems like a no-brainer to me.

Personally, I think Paul was close enough. I mean, what do you expect? Little Jesus clones literally running around everywhere?

Isn't that what the Holy Spirit is supposed to do for Christians? Help guide them and discern correct teachings?

Not really. Not magically anyway.

Don't get me wrong; people can follow whoever they please, but it seems misleading to deliberately name it after the wrong fellow... Just because "Paulianity" doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely.

You and I may be operating under different notions as to what constitutes a good expectation for fidelity in human communication. Let's just say that my understanding of the Philosphy of History doesn't expect the puzzle pieces of human testimony, whether that of 1st hand or 2nd hand, to nicely jive with every other fact of reality in which anyone lives and breaths. And I expect very, very little "magic" where Christianity is concerned.

Then again, I also don't expect to have to put up with books by Hyam Maccoby, either.

 

[AV1611VET]

Don't get me wrong; people can follow whoever they please, but it seems misleading to deliberately name it after the wrong fellow... Just because "Paulianity" doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely.

1 Corinthians 1:2 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

 

[Astrid]

You've spent a number of posts telling us that what is in the bible is literally true and that punishments detailed in tbe bible are justified. Even when it comes to stoning women to death. Which is simply not credible in itself. But what thought processes are going through your head when you think you can make light of such a horror?

You do know that this inhuman practice is still carried out today? I could link to a few that actually show it happening - but I won't because they are simply too horrific.

Perhaps you should watch a couple and then tell us that it's perfectly reasonable.

Scary horrifying people, the worse for being sanctimonious about it.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Personally, I think Paul was close enough. I mean, what do you expect? Little Jesus clones literally running around everywhere?

That sound you're hearing is all the talk I've heard over the years about God "perfectly" preserving His word shattering like glass.

Not really. Not magically anyway.

How about miraculously? This is the C/E forum; usually we get miracles-on-demand delivered in bulk.

You and I may be operating under different notions as to what constitutes a good expectation for fidelity in human communication.

Not at all -- but up until now, I've been told by believers that the Bible is divine, not human, communication.

I've been getting bad information, it seems

Let's just say that my understanding of the Philosphy of History doesn't expect the puzzle pieces of human testimony, whether that of 1st hand or 2nd hand, to nicely jive with every other fact of reality in which anyone lives and breaths. And I expect very, very little "magic" where Christianity is concerned.

We are in agreement... with each other. Although I suspect most of the Christians around here will take issue with taking God out of the equation...

...I won't as I never believed He was in it in the first place.

 

[Astrid]

It might reduce the amount of eye rolling that I feel is going on. But then you're going to get stuck with some of that anyway if you insist on putting your qualifications down in your signature. You'll be judged by the quality of your posts, not on the diploma on the wall.

The diploma bit is going to lead to some judging by
people who have actually graced the ivy halls with their presence.

We have degrees too. Its embarrassing to display them
emblazoned on our hats and letterhead.

As for field of study- degrees in psychology for example
are worthless. Guaranteed eyeroll if someone chirps their
expertise from a ba in psych. If they get twitted for it, they
could reflect on why.

A bit of philosophy is interesting, and actually a significant
help on the LSAT.
A degree in it is on the frivilous side.

As for a degree in Education, well, nobody is impressed
for reasons familiar to those who know theirvway around the U.

But sure, anyone can claim any expertise they wish.
You can easily fake that.
Faking sensible and knowledgeable talk, not so much.

 

[TLK Valentine]

1 Corinthians 1:2 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

Consider the source, AV...

 

[2PhiloVoid]

That sound you're hearing is all the talk I've heard over the years about God "perfectly" preserving His word shattering like glass.

... somehow, I don't think anyone is going to see that I've ever pandered to that extraordinary position about the bible. Not that I don't think it's special; it's just that I think that trying to claim superlativeness for the Bible isn't needed for Christianity to be "real." It's kind of like the Ontological argument--some Christians just have to make up some superlative sounding arguments to protect their niche.

I have no niche to protect.

How about miraculously? This is the C/E forum; usually we get miracles-on-demand delivered in bulk.

I was never into buying bulk candy. I do like the occasional Snickers bar, though.

Not at all -- but up until now, I've been told by believers that the Bible is divine, not human, communication.

I've been getting bad information, it seems

Yeah. I understand. But I've found that reading a little Kenton L. Sparks can put an end to that.

We are in agreement... with each other. Although I suspect most of the Christians around here will take issue with taking God out of the equation...

...I won't as I never believed He was in it in the first place.

I didn't take God out of the equation. I just don't assume that I can put Him into the equation in the first place. Fundamentalists--whom I still love-- take the Bible and start with it from the Top down.

However, I can only engage it from the ground floor going up. How far I can go, I don't know, but I'm willing to keep pushing the buttons. I think Pascal would be proud.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

The diploma bit is going to lead to some judging by
people who have actually graced the ivy halls with their presence.

We have degrees too. Its embarrassing to display them
emblazoned on our hats and letterhead.

As for field of study- degrees in psychology for example
are worthless. Guaranteed eyeroll if someone chirps their
expertise from a ba in psych. If they get twitted for it, they
could reflect on why.

A bit of philosophy is interesting, and actually a significant
help on the LSAT.
A degree in it is on the frivilous side.

As for a degree in Education, well, nobody is impressed
for reasons familiar to those who know theirvway around the U.

But sure, anyone can claim any expertise they wish.
You can easily fake that.
Faking sensible and knowledgeable talk, not so much.

Well, never let it be said that I didn't already tell everyone here what my initial axiom is.

But even with my axiom in place, I also saw the following on a t-shirt not so long ago...

... I thought it was apropos !

"Go Ahead - Underestimate Me! That'll Be Fun!"​

 

[AV1611VET]

Scary horrifying people, the worse for being sanctimonious about it.

Who's worse? these "scary horrifying people," or those who prod these "scary horrifying people" to see their Behavior Manual as the prodders see them?

Not to mention those who prod even the pacifists to see their Manual their way?

That's like telling the peaceniks in Nazi Germany they're not taking My Struggles seriously enough.

 

[AV1611VET]

I've been told by believers that the Bible is divine, not human, communication.

You've been told correctly.

The body feeds off of empirical data.
The soul feeds off of emotional data.
The spirit feeds off of spiritual data.

 

[AV1611VET]

As for a degree in Education, well, nobody is impressed

Depends on what they do with it.

 

[BNR32FAN]

No, your failure was explained to you and you had no response. As a result you did contradict yourself.

Ive responded every time you’ve posted to me. Now your just deflecting because I exposed your error. If I accused someone of contradicting their self and they denied it I would be more than eager to quote their contradiction for all to see.

 

[TLK Valentine]

... somehow, I don't think anyone is going to see that I've ever pandered to that extraordinary position about the bible. Not that I don't think it's special; it's just that I think that trying to claim superlativeness for the Bible isn't needed for Christianity to be "real." It's kind of like the Ontological argument--some Christians just have to make up some superlative sounding arguments to protect their niche.

I have no niche to protect.

It remains to be seen whether that puts you in the majority or minority.

 

[BNR32FAN]

How is this relevant in the context of the mistreatment of women in the Bible?

A better question is how is this related in any way shape or form to the discussion of this thread?

 

[BNR32FAN]

If you think that it happened then it's an example of God's power. If you think it didn't then it's an illustration of God's power.

No if you think it didn’t happen then it would be an illustration of a lie or a fabrication of the truth which would diminish God’s glory.