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Why are some Christians anti Evolution?

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That’s not how stonings were conducted this short documentary explains exactly how they actually took place.

You've spent a number of posts telling us that what is in the bible is literally true and that punishments detailed in tbe bible are justified. Even when it comes to stoning women to death. Which is simply not credible in itself. But what thought processes are going through your head when you think you can make light of such a horror?

You do know that this inhuman practice is still carried out today? I could link to a few that actually show it happening - but I won't because they are simply too horrific.

Perhaps you should watch a couple and then tell us that it's perfectly reasonable.
 
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No, as far as rational, social development can be seen among the human species, I credit Jesus of Nazareth for much of the ideological and ethical (re)direction in the world.

Jesus spent a lot of time reminding us of concepts such as the golden rule. Do you have any examples of a teaching where He could take sole credit?
 
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No, as far as rational, social development can be seen among the human species, I credit Jesus of Nazareth for much of the ideological and ethical (re)direction in the world.

Some might give Paul the lion's share of the credit -- Jesus invented the product, but Paul marketed it.
 
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You've spent a number of posts telling us that what is in the bible is literally true and that punishments detailed in tbe bible are justified. Even when it comes to stoning women to death. Which is simply not credible in itself. But what thought processes are going through your head when you think you can make light of such a horror?

You do know that this inhuman practice is still carried out today? I could link to a few that actually show it happening - but I won't because they are simply too horrific.

Perhaps you should watch a couple and then tell us that it's perfectly reasonable.

The thought processess here, my dear Bradskii, are likely to be those that take the entire Pentateuch as a literal, literary unit, with the assumption that one portion of the it possibly sets a context for ever other portion it. The "interior" epistemology and metaphysics of the narrative are taken for aspects of the actual content rather than conjecture.

Forgive my tongue-in-cheekiness here, but when a literalist Christian reads some text that says, "kill them all," this same typical bible reader assumes that this means that the Holy, Just, Almighty and Eternal God who, through Moses miraculously delivered half of the Hebrew people [yeah "half" by default] out of Egypt, also is actually there and speaking through Moses and so on, commanding this or that violent action.

The literalist Christian isn't reading it as an atheist does who might think "...oh look there. This text shows some person telling others they can go in a kill other people without regard, and they somehow mistakenly think there's some god behind it all ... or something. What a goofy and immoral story!! Who could possibly think there was actually such a god there in the first place. Man, they were S...T...U...P...I...D!!!"

But, that's why we have Hermeneutics, for what it's worth to mention it in passing such as I all too often do, to help sort some of this stuff out. :rolleyes:
 
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Some might give Paul the lion's share of the credit -- Jesus invented the product, but Paul marketed it.

Oh, don't worry. I do.

Good point, too!
 
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The through processess here, my dear Bradskii, are likely to be those that take the entire Pentateuch as a literal, literary unit, with the assumption that one portion of the it possibly sets a context for ever other portion it. The "interior" epistemology and metaphysics of the narrative are taken for aspects of the actual content rather than conjecture.

Forgive my tongue-in-cheekiness here, but when a literalist Christian reads some text that says, "kill them all," this same typical bible reader assumes that this means that the Holy, Just, Almighty and Eternal God who, through Moses miraculously delivered half of the Hebrew people [yeah "half" by default] out of Egypt, also is actually there and speaking through Moses and so on, commanding this or that violent action.

The literalist Christian isn't reading it as an atheist does who might think "...oh look there. This text shows some person telling others they can go in a kill other people without regard, and they somehow mistakenly think there's some god behind it all ... or something. What a goofy and immoral story!! Who could possibly think there was actually such a god there in the first place. Man, they were S...T...U...P...I...D!!!"

But, that's why we have Hermeneutics, for what it's worth to mention it in passing such as I all too often do, to help sort some of this stuff out. :rolleyes:

'He takes the bible literally' would have sufficed. It would have been redundant, but it would have saved you all that typing. My dear Philo...
 
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Jesus spent a lot of time reminding us of concepts such as the golden rule. Do you have any examples of a teaching where He could take sole credit?

Honestly, I don't really approach the teachings of Jesus in this way. I don't assume He came in the first place to provide "something utterly new and unique." I know some people who mistakenly do. But who can blame them? Maybe they just haven't studied much in the way of any ancient Jewish cultural and interpretive thinking.
 
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Good... But is what Paul was selling the same product that Jesus originally produced?

Probably not. Should it have been? I'm under the impression that different people have different perspectives on ... well... just darn near about anything we may think or encounter around us in this world.

Why would we expect Paul to be any different on this epistemic count? Because of the Holy Spirit?
 
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'He takes the bible literally' would have sufficed. It would have been redundant, but it would have saved you all that typing. My dear Philo...

I'd rather oversell it. It's more fun that way. But you're point is taken, nevertheless. :cool:
 
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Honestly, I don't really approach the teachings of Jesus in this way. I don't assume He came in the first place to provide "something utterly new and unique." I know, some people who mistakenly do. But who can blame them? Maybe they just haven't studied much in the way of any ancient Jewish cultural and interpretive thinking.

So why do you give Jesus all the credit? Because He is meant to have died for our sins? I see no practical benefit that that has had in developing a more moral society.
 
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So why do you give Jesus all the credit? Because He is meant to have died for our sins? I see no practical benefit that that has had in developing a more moral society.

I tend to do this for the usual, pedestrian reasons, Bradskii. I happened to read a few books and journal articles that pushed me in this direction of thinking.
 
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I'd rather oversell it. It's more fun that way. But you're point is taken, nevertheless. :cool:

It might reduce the amount of eye rolling that I feel is going on. But then you're going to get stuck with some of that anyway if you insist on putting your qualifications down in your signature. You'll be judged by the quality of your posts, not on the diploma on the wall.
 
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I was not the one that came up with the "justice" claim. Perhaps you should ask the believer that did.

Oh, ok. I guess you're off the hook then. But, interestingly, I guess that puts me on the hook since I'm not sure how much I actually disagree with him about this point.

How much SHOULD I disagree with him on the point discussed being that I still 'believe' in Hades?
 
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I tend to do this for the usual, pedestrian reasons, Bradskii.

Feel free to list them. This thread is bouncing around a few topics so I don't think anyone will mind.
 
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It might reduce the amount of eye rolling that I feel is going on. But then you're going to get stuck with some of that anyway if you insist on putting your qualifications down in your signature. You'll be judged by the quality of your posts, not on the diploma on the wall.

I figure I'll be judged anyway, with the use of Grammarly or without it, and without reference to all I've studied or without it.

We both know that it all comes down to the addage, "A man convinced against his will is ... ... "

I figure, if you atheists have a will, I have no way.
 
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Oh, ok. I guess you're off the hook then. But, interestingly, I guess that puts me on the hook since I'm not sure how much I actually disagree with him about this point.

How much SHOULD I disagree with him on the point discussed being that I still 'believe' in Hades?
What is your purpose for Hades?
 
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Feel free to list them. This thread is bouncing around a few topics so I don't think anyone will mind.

Oh, you're going to make me go to the backroom and dig through some boxes aren't you? :rolleyes:

As fate would have it, my wife just asked me to take care of something, but here's the first book on my list. It seems to fit more or less with what's been talked about in this thread so far:

The Genesis of Justice - Alan M. Dershowitz​

I'll look for some of the others and get back to you with later.
 
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