Why are so many Christians against annihilation in hell when scripture supports it?

[FineLinen]

Jonathan Mitchell New Testament=

::Jonathan Mitchell's New Testament Translation::

"For this reason, God also lifts Him up above (highly exalts Him; elevates Him over) and by grace gives to Him (graces on Him) the Name -- the one over and above every name! --

to the end that within The Name: Jesus! (or: in the name of {or: belonging to} Jesus), EVERY KNEE -- of the men upon the heavens (of those belonging to the super-heavens) and of the men existing upon the earth and of the men dwelling down under the ground (or: pertaining to subterranean ones) -- may bend (should bow) in worship or prayer,

and EVERY TONGUE may speak out the same thing (should openly agree, confess and acclaim) that Jesus Christ [is] Lord [= Yahweh?] -- into [the] glory of Father God (or: unto Father God’s reputation)!"

“I could more easily contain Niagara Falls in a tea cup than I can comprehend the wild, uncontainable love of God.”

 

[Der Alte]

You must attempt to find an expanded response D.A. Everything is out of context. LOL. The Master of Reconciliation has more interest in broken bread & broken fish, but the broken members of Adam 1 are not in the scenario? Oh please!

Try actually reading my posts. I explain why something is out-of-context.
When Jesus told His followers to pick up all the pieces were they thinking "What Jesus is really saying that He is going to save all mankind?"

anfang

<FL>“And He is [the] propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
Please note:
Jesus Christ IS propitiation.
He is propitiation for our sins (all of us).
Jesus Christ IS propitiation for the sins of the WHOLE world.
Whole= holos.
Holos is NOT monos or monon.
Jesus Christ is NOT propitiation for our sins ONLY/monon, but for the sins of the WHOLE world.The polus in Adam1= the polus in the Last Adam: every last one!<end>

ende

Let us add some context to your out-of-context proof text.

1 John 2:2
(2) He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.​

But let us read further.

1 John 2:24-25
(24) As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father.
(25) And this is what he promised us—eternal life.​

Why would John warn his audience to "see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you" unless it was possible for it not to remain in them and for them to not remain in the Son and in the Father.? Why would John give that warning since, according to you, they are going to be reconciled no matter what their spiritual condition is?

1 John 3:14
(14) We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love each other. Anyone who does not love remains in death.​

Here John said "Anyone who does not love remains in death." How can they remain in death when, according to you Jesus atoned "for the sins of the whole world." and everyone is going to be saved no matter what?

1 John 3:15
(15) Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.​

Here John said, "no murderer has eternal life." How do you harmonize this with vs. 2:2?

1 John 5:12
(12) Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.​

Is Jesus going to save all mankind no matter what, righteous and unrighteous alike? If that was what John meant in vs. 2:2 how can he say "whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life?"

1 John 5:16
(16) If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death, you should pray and God will give them life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that you should pray about that.​

Vs. 2:2 Jesus was "the atoning sacrifice ... for the sins of the whole world" Why does John talk about a sin that leads to death if everyone is going to be saved no matter what?

 

[ClementofA]

John 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

Taking away the world's sin (Jn.1:29) shall make the world sinless. So, yeah, all will be saved.

This states the purpose of Love Omnipotent's - divine will - in sending His Son:

For God did not send His Son into the world that He might judge the world, but that the world would be saved through Him. (Jn.3:17)

There we see God's reason in sending His Son, namely to save the world. That was the Diivine will of God, Who is Love Omnipotent. And notice what BDAG says about the "divine will":

“In many cases purpose and result cannot be clearly differentiated, and hence ἵνα is used for the result that follows according to the purpose of the subj. or of God. As in Semitic and Gr-Rom. thought, purpose and result are identical in declarations of the divine will…” ἵνα — с греческого на все языки

They said to the woman, "We now believe not only because of your words; we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this man truly is the Savior of the world. (Jn.4:42)

12 points re forever and ever (literally to/into "the ages of the ages") being finite:

For the Lord will NOT cast off FOR EVER:

 

[ClementofA]

It means what it says, that all mankind is under the sentence of death - permanent spiritual annihilation as well as permanent physical death.

That's not what Romans 6:23 says. You have added to it your own opinions, your interpretations of a fallen human being.

Death is permanent.

So says Choir Loft. The Bible says death will be abolished (1 Cor.15:22,26) & all in their graves shall rise (Jn.5:28-29). I'll stick with the Bible.

Scripture knows nothing of any endless death, but says that death will be abolished (1 Cor.15:26).

You have lifted a single verse from scripture to justify an erroneous dogma. The qualifying verse appears earlier in verse 22, "For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive."

Death will be abolished for those who are in Christ. The rest remain in their sin.

Your words. Your opinion. Your interpretation. OTOH the Bible says:

1 Cor.15:27For “He has put in subjection all things under His feet.”b But when it may be said that all things have been put in subjection, it is evident that the One having put in subjection all things to Him is excepted. 28Now when all things shall have been put in subjection to Him, then also the Son Himself will be put in subjection to the One having put in subjection all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.

Judgment for one who is in Christ is a joyous occasion, but judgment for one who is not in Christ is the terrible prospect of permanent irrevocable extinction - death.

Again that's a fallen human beings' opinion, but not Scripture:

Rom 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for ALL MANKIND for condemnation, thus also it is through one just act for ALL MANKIND for life's justifying."

Rom 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, THE MANY were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, THE MANY shall be constituted just."

1 Cor.15:22 AS in Adam ALL die SO ALSO in Christ shall ALL be made alive.

1 Cor.15:28 And when ALL shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put ALL under him, that God may be all in ALL.

Col.1:16 For by Him ***ALL*** was created that are in HEAVEN and that are on EARTH, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All was created through Him and for Him.
20 and by Him to reconcile ***ALL*** to Himself, by Him, whether on EARTH or in HEAVEN, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

Again you have taken scripture out of context to assert a false doctrine. There is no remedial program after final judgment. Of that the Bible is final. Death is the end and sin is destroyed by it - either upon the cross or in destruction of existence of sinners.

Those are the words of fallen man. Scripture says:

Rom 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for ALL MANKIND for condemnation, thus also it is through one just act for ALL MANKIND for life's justifying."

Rom 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, THE MANY were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, THE MANY shall be constituted just."

1 Cor.15:22 AS in Adam ALL die SO ALSO in Christ shall ALL be made alive.

1 Cor.15:28 And when ALL shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put ALL under him, that God may be all in ALL.

Col.1:16 For by Him ***ALL*** was created that are in HEAVEN and that are on EARTH, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All was created through Him and for Him.
20 and by Him to reconcile ***ALL*** to Himself, by Him, whether on EARTH or in HEAVEN, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

Hebrews 9:27 is definite - There is judgment after death and that's it.

Hebrews 9:27 does not say there are "no second chances after death". If there's no postmortem salvation, what happens to those who die as infants? Does God's love have an expiry date like a carton of milk? If Love Omnipotent doesn't save all, is it because He is unable or because He doesn't want to?

What language do you understand? Hebrews 9:27 says there is death followed by judgment. You are reading something into scripture that isn't intended.

I'm not the one who said the following, but rather you:

"There are no second chances after death (Hebrews 9:27), no programs of repentance are possible and no life at all."

But Hebrews 9:27 does not say there are "no second chances after death". That's merely your human opinion, not Scripture.

There is no such thing as love omnipotent. You are inventing a god that doesn't exist and is never mentioned in the Bible. It is a heresy of the post modern church age.

1 John 4:8b "God is love"
"Alleluia! For the Lord God Omnipotent reigns (Revelation 19:6b).
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. (Mt.28:18)
I know that you can do all things, and that no purpose of yours can be thwarted (Job 42:2).
Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh. Is there anything too hard for me? (Jeremiah 32:27).
I am Almighty God; walk before me and be blameless (Genesis 17:1).
But Jesus looked at them and said, "For mortals it is impossible, but for God all things are possible" (Matthew 19:26).

Sin is judged. What baby has sinned and is deserving of spiritual destruction? Please tell me what baby has committed blasphemy or theft or murder or is guilty of lying. Please let me know what baby is guilty of adultery. A baby is a device which makes noise at one end and is totally irresponsible on the other. That's it and that's all.

A baby is a human being, not a "device".

And you didn't answer the questions:

If there's no postmortem salvation, what happens to those who die as infants? Does God's love have an expiry date like a carton of milk? If Love Omnipotent doesn't save all, is it because He is unable or because He doesn't want to?

Babies do not suffer the judgment of sin because they haven't sinned.

What happens to babies? Are they forced into heaven by some kind of irresistible grace without being given a free will choice? Is that salvation by luck, if you were lucky enough to be killed as a baby?

This isn't rocket science, but it is possible to lie about Biblical intent. God is just and does not punish a child for something he or she hasn't committed. If a child dies their spirit is judged sinless. Why? Not because of a sinful nature, but because they haven't DONE anything.

The heritage of Adam is sin. All mankind has inherited the tendency to sin, but no one is judged for potential sins. We are all judged for sins we've committed because of our nature to do so.

I didn't ask about all that. I asked:

If there's no postmortem salvation, what happens to those who die as infants?

YES, God's love does indeed have an expiry date. It's called DEATH. When the physical body dies the love of God, which has extended the opportunity to repent and receive redemption, also ceases.

Human opinion & not an answer to what i asked:

If there's no postmortem salvation, what happens to those who die as infants?

Those who reject God in life are themselves rejected at Final Judgment when the Almighty says, "Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' - Matthew 7:23

Mt.7:23 does not use the words "Final Judgement". Jesus never says to anyone "I will never know you" or "you'll never be saved".

The context of Matthew 5:25-26, both before & after those 2 verses, is making references to Gehenna. Verses 21-26 have to do with anger & being reconciled & v.22 warns of Gehenna. In verses 27-30 the subject is adultery & v.30 warns regarding Gehenna.

Matt 5:25-26 Come to terms quickly with your adversary before it is too late and you are dragged into court, handed over to an officer, and thrown in jail. I assure you that you won't be free again until you have paid the last penny.

"They must pay (as GMac says) the uttermost farthing -- which is to say, they must tender the forgiveness of their brethren that is owed, the repentance and sorrow for sin that is owed, etc. Otherwise they do stay in prison with the tormenters. (their guilt? their hate? their own filthiness?) At last resort, if they still refuse to let go that nasty pet they've been stroking, they must even suffer the outer darkness. God will remove Himself from them to the extent that He can do so without causing their existence to cease. As Tom Talbot points out so well, no sane person of free will (and the child must be sane and informed to have freedom) could possibly choose ultimate horror over ultimate delight throughout the unending ages."

Mt.18:23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants. 24 And when he had begun to reckon...
34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. 35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

Mt.1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Mt.2:6b ...my people Israel.

So there is only one exception to "all" to be "put...under his feet". Then God will be "in" "all", hence universal salvation:

Again you are making exceptions where they don't exist so as to promote a false doctrine.

Scripture itself makes the exception:

1 Cor.15:27For “He has put in subjection all things under His feet.”b But when it may be said that all things have been put in subjection, it is evident that the One having put in subjection all things to Him is excepted. 28Now when all things shall have been put in subjection to Him, then also the Son Himself will be put in subjection to the One having put in subjection all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.

Not all are saved.

Not yet:

Rom 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for ALL MANKIND for condemnation, thus also it is through one just act for ALL MANKIND for life's justifying."

Rom 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, THE MANY were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, THE MANY shall be constituted just."

1 Cor.15:22 AS in Adam ALL die SO ALSO in Christ shall ALL be made alive.

1 Cor.15:28 And when ALL shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put ALL under him, that God may be all in ALL.

Col.1:16 For by Him ***ALL*** was created that are in HEAVEN and that are on EARTH, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All was created through Him and for Him.
20 and by Him to reconcile ***ALL*** to Himself, by Him, whether on EARTH or in HEAVEN, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

There is no good news for sinners, which is most of the world.

While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Rom.5:8b)

Christ died for the ungodly (Rom.5:6b)

And love consists in this: not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. (1 John 4:10)

For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost. (Lk.19:10)

Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: (Rom.5:20)

Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the worst. (1 Tim.1:15b)

But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." (Mt.9:13)

To this end we labor and strive, because we have set our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe. (1 Tim.4:10)

John 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

The doctrine that all will be saved justifies sin without repentance and acceptance of Christ.

What are you trying to say? None will be saved who do not repent of their sins & accept Christ. Do you think Love Omnipotent doesn't desire all to be saved and/or is incapable of accomplishing exactly that?

How can a man be saved if he rejects Christ? He cannot.

Correct. Does the grace of Love Omnipotent have an expiry date? Does the blood of Jesus shed for every sinners' sins have an expiry date & go to waste?

There is no second opportunity after physical death.

That's mere human opinion. How many opportunities are there before physical death? Dozens, hundreds, thousands? Does God's love have an expiry date?

Only total final and absolute destruction awaits the fool who does not repent in life.

Certainly not! Let God be true and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that You may be justified in Your words, and prevail in Your judgments.” (Rom.3:4)

12 points re forever and ever (literally to/into "the ages of the ages") being finite:

For the Lord will NOT cast off FOR EVER:

 

[Pneuma3]

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Romans 6:23
(23) For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:​

Real clear "all have sinned,""death passed upon all men,""the wages of sin is death" and "It is appointed once unto men to die." But there is not one verse which says "the wages of sin is death," resurrection then a second death.

That correct the wages of sin is Death, not annihilation.
If death is = to annihilation then there is no such things as the resurrection of the dead.

 

[FineLinen]

Try actually reading my posts. I explain whey something is out-of-context.

Dear D.A.: Your powers at parsing & ex·e·get·ist stand alone. Your vast knowledge of the J.E. is overwhelming. I read your posts and appreciate how you explain "whey" something is out of context. Much thanks!

BREAKING GOOD NEWS

Apostle Paul reports that the impact of death, burial, and resurrection of our Lord, Jesus Christ, 2,000 years ago shown to be more, not less, powerful than the disobedience of man He created 4,000 years prior (Romans 5:19)! Christians "horrified" and "offended" by this "heresy!" Furiously argue redemption of all mankind is an "insult to the cross of Christ"... -John Moneypenny-

Loyal Hurley: The Outcome of Infinite Grace (1947) | Mercy Upon All

 

[FineLinen]

“When a man or woman is truly honest (not just working at it) it is virtually impossible to insult them personally. There is nothing there to insult. Those who were truly ready for the kingdom were just such people. Their inner poverty of spirit and rigorous honesty had set them free. They were people who had nothing to be proud of.”

― Brennan Manning, The Ragamuffin Gospel: Good News for the Bedraggled, Beat-Up, and Burnt Out

“Our huffing and puffing to impress God, our scrambling for brownie points, our thrashing about trying to fix ourselves while hiding our pettiness and wallowing in guilt are nauseating to God and are a flat denial of the gospel of grace. Our approach to the Christian life is as absurd as the enthusiastic young man who had just received his plumber’s license and was taken to see Niagara Falls. He studied it for a minute and then said, “I think I can fix this. " ― Brennan Manning,

 

[Pneuma3]

There are 66 books in my bible,

1,189 chapters

31,102 verses



Gahanna is mentioned 12 times in 12 verses

11 Times by Jesus, 4 of which are parallel verses so it reality Jesus only mentions Gahanna 7 times.

And once by James which makes 8 times out of 31,102 verses. That =.0002572182%



Does no one else find this rather disturbing if our eternal destiny is actually associated with this word?



One would think that if our eternal destiny was associated with Gahanna it would be the most prevalent word especially throughout the New Testament. Yet not one apostle of Jesus ever uses this word.



Strange indeed that not one apostle of Jesus ever used this word if our eternal destiny was associated with it.





Even stranger is that so many build a doctrine around a word used only .0002572182% of the time in scripture, which is never used by any of Jesus apostles.



How can the doctrines of eternal torment and annihilation be said by so many to be the doctrine of the apostles and the early church when not once did any of the apostles ever mention Gahanna.



Time for Gods children to wake up and realize God through Jesus Christ IS the saviour of ALL HUMANITY.

 

[Der Alte]

Dear D.A.: Your powers at parsing & ex·e·get·ist stand alone. Your vast knowledge of the J.E. is overwhelming. I read your posts and appreciate how you explain "whey" something is out of context. Much thanks!

I quite appreciate how you major on a minor i.e. a typo and don't really say anything of substance. Not only do I quote from the J.E.* but I also quote from ECF*, Talmud*, BDAG*, BDB, Thayer*, LSJ* and other credible sources. The one's with * can be DL. BDB is available for viewing online but not for download. I prefer them to quotes from Andy Anonymous, Ulysses Unknown, Victor Vague and various other modern writers such as John Monypenny, unless they provide credible, verifiable, historical, grammatical, lexical evidence..

BREAKING GOOD NEWS
Apostle Paul reports that the impact of death, burial, and resurrection of our Lord, Jesus Christ, 2,000 years ago shown to be more, not less, powerful than the disobedience of man He created 4,000 years prior (Romans 5:19)! Christians "horrified" and "offended" by this "heresy!" Furiously argue redemption of all mankind is an "insult to the cross of Christ"... -John Moneypenny-

Note, only Moneypenny's unsupported opinion no, zero, none credible, etc. evidence.

 

[FineLinen]

Dear D.A.: You really do not get it, my friend! This sad world is looking for some hope from the terrible experiences to which they are recipients. May the Lord of Glory expand your grasp of Him is my prayer for you.

History of Hymns: “It Is Well with My Soul” - umcdiscipleship.org

 

[Der Alte]

Dear D.A.: You really do not get it, my friend! This sad world is looking for some hope from the terrible experiences to which they are recipients. May the Lord of Glory expand your grasp of Him is my prayer for you.

Thank you for your misplaced concern. I probably have a much better grasp than you and certainly a much better grasp that you think I do. I do not deny or restrict hope to anyone. Conversely I will not tell the world that they can live anyway they want to and God will save them in the end, no matter what.
.....Nor will I tell the world that the only punishment the wicked, unrepentant will receive is simply death. I cannot find one verse where Jesus taught that.

 

[FineLinen]

ALL of us believe that the bondage to evil that causes people to DO evil to one another MUST be gotten rid of in some way.

We just differ on the means, and what that will look like. For me, Jesus set us free, but until we fully enter into that freedom, we still continue to do evil – to obey our old master, sin. Paul said that if he continued to do what he hated (evil) then it was no longer he who did it, but sin that dwelt in him, and that only through Christ could he become free. But what about people who LIKE doing evil, who don’t WANT to be set free from it? God will not rip that thing they love out of their being, but He may burn it out by allowing His presence to be experienced by His rebellious, hateful children in the natural way it WOULD be experienced by those who choose, because they WANT to so choose, to fondle their sins. They must pay as Geo. MacDonald says the uttermost farthing – which is to say, they must tender the forgiveness of their brethren that is owed, the repentance and sorrow for sin that is owed, etc. Otherwise they do stay in prison with the tormenters. (their guilt? their hate? their own filthiness?) At last resort, if they still refuse to let go that nasty pet they’ve been stroking, they must even suffer the outer darkness. God will remove Himself from them to the extent that He can do so without causing their existence to cease.

As Tom Talbot points out so well, no sane person of free will (and the child must be sane and informed to have freedom) could possibly choose ultimate horror over ultimate delight throughout the unending ages.

This, along with the things many of us experience in this life, IS the meaning of hell to me. I make it a point to explain to people (if I’m given that much of a hearing) that we will all experience “fire” to the extent we need it. I no longer think (and I always thought it strange) that we are somehow “sealed in righteousness” at death. Where do we find this in the scriptures?

IMO the only way to be sealed in righteousness is to be of the same opinion as God – to HATE sin so much that it is impossible we should ever be willing or coerced to engage in it.

-Cindy Skillman-

 

[FineLinen]

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The 2nd Death

“Orthodox theology holds the second death to be a state of endless torment in which the sufferers are held forever in conscious being by a continuous act of Divine preservation, with the soul object of a punishment without end. This however would in no sense be death. The second death does not perpetuate the hopeless condition of the sinner to all eternity.

What the Holy Spirit means by ‘fire and brimstone’ is ‘divine purification,’ or a judgment fire which consumes all that is antagonistic to divine law and love.

Before the Great White Throne, that vast throng, their naked spirits conscious now of the blazing holiness of God, will be subjected to the process of the second death. What those processes are, their intensity and their duration, we are not told. They will suffice, however, not in themselves to perfect, but to bring those who suffer them to that agreement with the judgment upon sin which they effect, and through the cross finally to reconcile them to God (Col. 1:20), in a subjection where He will be ‘All in all.’ When that acquiescence in judgment upon sin is reached, and applied in soul and spirit, then will be possible the final victory over death. Hence it is written that when this subjection is reached, then and only then, ‘the last enemy, death, shall be destroyed.’ ” -A. E. Saxby

 

[FineLinen]

Thank you for your misplaced concern. I probably have a much better grasp than you and certainly a much better grasp that you think I do. I do not deny or restrict hope to anyone. Conversely I will not tell the world that they can live anyway they want to and God will save them in the end, no matter what.
.....Nor will I tell the world that the only punishment the wicked, unrepentant will receive is simply death. I cannot find one verse where Jesus taught that.

I>>>I>>>I>>>I>>>I>>>I

“The fierce words of Jesus addressed to the Pharisees of His day stretch across the bands of time. Today they are directed not only to fallen televangelists but to each of us. We miss Jesus' point entirely when we use His words as weapons against others. They are to be taken personally by each of us. This is the form and shape of Christian Pharisaism in our time. Hypocrisy is not the prerogative of people in high places. The most impoverished among us is capable of it. Hypocrisy is the natural expression of what is meanest in us all.”

― Brennan Manning, The Ragamuffin Gospel: Good News for the Bedraggled, Beat-Up, and Burnt Out

 

[FineLinen]

 

[Choir Loft]

Nope!

The promise of the Lord is to restore all creation back into fellowship with Himself! He has declared this "by Himself." The slightest variance is total and complete failure! If ta pante does not mean the all, any deviation is failure, total and complete failure! If the Last Adam does not make the mass of mankind "righteous", the first Adam has succeeded in keeping the polus captive in sin. Again, total failure by the One who declares the same mass/polus made sinners destined to be made righteous. Total and complete failure by the Will of all wills!

"The whole of created life shall be delivered/set free/emancipated..."

Every last fallen son of Adam1 will not only be saved, every last one will be reconciled: every last one!>>>>>>>But there is more>>>>>

"Saved">>>>>>

"Reconciled"

&

"made righteous"

The polus of mankind made sinners in Adam1=

The polus of mankind made righteous in the Last Adam

Greek philosophical statements do not appear in the Bible.

Perhaps you are attempting to introduce a foreign ideology into Biblical context. That doesn't work. Apples and oranges. They don't agree.

The Bible does not say every person will be saved.

Every son of Adam will be saved? What about the daughters? Are they condemned because they don't fit into your pagan myth? Your thinking is convoluted and confused.

JESUS answered this question in Luke 13:22-30

"Then Jesus traveled throughout the towns and villages, teaching as He made His way toward Jerusalem. “Lord,” someone asked Him, “will only a few people be saved?”

Jesus answered, “Make every effort to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able. After the master of the house gets up and shuts the door, you will stand outside knocking and saying, ‘Lord, open the door for us.’

But he will reply, ‘I do not know where you are from.’

Then you will say, ‘We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.’

And he will answer, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you are from. Depart from me, all you evildoers.’

There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves are thrown out. People will come from east and west and north and south, and will recline at the table in the kingdom of God. And indeed, some who are last will be first, and some who are first will be last.”

I mentioned the general context of the Bible, but unfortunately cannot quote every passage that refers to this truth. I do think, however, that Jesus Christ is considered by many to be an authority on the subject.

Who are you?

The issue remains that many will not be saved. Indeed most will not. Therefore it is of paramount importance that humble repentance be made to the Lord of Hosts in the name of Jesus. An arrogant attitude based on Greek philosophy will not get you a foot into the door of paradise. The destiny of the unjust is total destruction.

The Bible says the destiny of the sinner is the Lake of Fire - forever. The destruction is total immediate and absolute. The word forever means there will be no reconsiderations of judgment, no remedial programs, no second chances and no parole for burnt behavior.

Repent. Your false ideology will not save you. Repent now.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft.....

 

[Choir Loft]

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Real clear "all have sinned,""death passed upon all men,""the wages of sin is death" and "It is appointed once unto men to die." But there is not one verse which says "the wages of sin is death," resurrection then a second death.

Actually there are several verses that refer to a temporary resurrection of sinners for the purpose of judgment. Principle among these is Revelation 20.

Read it.

The resurrection of the sinners is temporary. Sinners are resurrected for the purpose of being present at their judgment. Following final judgment, sinners are sentenced to the Second Death, the Lake of Fire - total annihilation.

The principle of temporary resurrection is best demonstrated in the gospels in three incidents. The best known incident is that of Lazarus. The friend of Jesus was temporarily resurrected so as to demonstrate Jesus' power over death. Lazarus eventually died again.

So it shall be unto those who refuse to accept Christ Jesus as their Lord and savior. They shall be sentenced to the Lake of Fire - permanent and absolute annihilation. FOREVER.

Forever means that the sentence of destruction will NOT be reversed. There are no second chances following divine judgment.

Wishes and arguments don't make it so. Neither do lies concocted out of thin air inspired by a spirit not of God.

REPENT. Now is the time to seek peace with God. There will not be another opportunity after death.

Most will not be saved because of foolishness like this 'delayed decision' theology.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

 

[FineLinen]

The Bible does not say every person will be saved.

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Dear choir boy:

Not simply "saved">>>"Reconciled" >>>>>"Made righteous".

The identical mass (the polus) "made sinners" in Adam1 are the polus "made righteous" in the Last, the Lord Jesus Christ!

“It is love alone in the holy Deity that will allow no peace to the wicked, nor ever cease its judgments till every sinner is forced to confess that it is good for him that he has been in trouble, and thankfully own that not the wrath but the love of God has plucked out that right eye, cut off that right band, which he ought to have done but would not do for himself and his own salvation.” – William Law

"It is claimed that it takes the iron out of Christianity because it removes the threat. No longer can the sinner be dangled over the pit of hell. No longer can what Burn’s called the “hangmen’s whip” of the fear of Hell be threateningly cracked over the sinner. But the kind of universalism in which I believe has not simply obliterated hell and said that everything will be all right for everyone; it has stated grimly that, if you will have it so, you can go to Heaven via Hell. – William Barclay-

No more let sin and sorrows grow,
Nor thorns infest the ground;
He comes to make His blessings flow
Far as the curse is found,
Far as the curse is found,
Far as, far as the curse is found.

 

[FineLinen]

Dear choir boy:

Not simply "saved">>>"Reconciled" >>>>>"Made righteous".

The identical mass (the polus) "made sinners" in Adam1 are the polus "made righteous" in the Last, the Lord Jesus Christ!

“It is love alone in the holy Deity that will allow no peace to the wicked, nor ever cease its judgments till every sinner is forced to confess that it is good for him that he has been in trouble, and thankfully own that not the wrath but the love of God has plucked out that right eye, cut off that right band, which he ought to have done but would not do for himself and his own salvation.” – William Law

"It is claimed that it takes the iron out of Christianity because it removes the threat. No longer can the sinner be dangled over the pit of hell. No longer can what Burn’s called the “hangmen’s whip” of the fear of Hell be threateningly cracked over the sinner. But the kind of universalism in which I believe has not simply obliterated hell and said that everything will be all right for everyone; it has stated grimly that, if you will have it so, you can go to Heaven via Hell. – William Barclay-

No more let sin and sorrows grow,
Nor thorns infest the ground;
He comes to make His blessings flow
Far as the curse is found,
Far as the curse is found,
Far as, far as the curse is found.

Dear choir boy:

"Having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works"

Reconcile=

Definition of RECONCILE

Reconcile= Katallasso=

1.To change /exchange

2. To change from enmity to friendship.

 

[FineLinen]

Try actually reading my posts. I explain why something is out-of-context.

D.A. the entire exercise is more than my old life can bear! However, in an attempt to expand your limited words I want to help you.

Words for irrelevant=

extraneous, immaterial, impertinent, inapplicable, inapposite, irrelative

Words Related to irrelevant=

incidental, peripheral, tangent, tangential

dead, moot

inconsequential, insignificant, unimportant

empty, inane, meaningless, pointless, senseless, useless

inappropriate, inapt, unsuitable

extraneous, immaterial, impertinent, inapplicable, inapposite, irrelative