(several posts, because catch-up)
But everything else in the right wing you can argue is completely against Christianity and what Jesus taught..
You CAN argue anything. You can argue that the moon is a piece of green cheese. You'd be wrong, but you CAN.
Just as you are wrong in the above.
Most Christians are on the right, because decades of development has shown very clearly that the left despises Christians and seem to harm them socially, economically, politically, and, yes, religiously.
This is not just an American thing, but a general Western thing.
Overlooking the principle of self-reliance if at all possible, which is clearly Biblical, it is a case of
"Well, the left wants to indoctrinate my children against the tenets of my faith, AND force me to choose between making a living on one hand, OR my faith on the other. I think I'll go with the other team."
There is nothing wrong with socialism...
The ashes of a hundred million people dead (and counting) because of socialism would disagree with you. As would those Cubans and Venezuelans who managed to escape to freedom.
Psychologists have said that conservatives have authoritarian personalities. Those Christians whose theology is most rigid and inflexible and who are focused on black and white morality respond to a wannabe dictator like Trump--according to psychologists.
Yeah. "According to psychologists".
=
"I heard from someone somewhere".
Also, Trump is no more of a wannabe-dictator than Obama was. The office of the POTUS is, arguably, a bit too powerful, but that's:
1: A matter of opinion.
2: The same regardless of who's living in the White House
Neither.
I'm seeing a common theme here from everyone... but what's so bad about socialism?
See above.
I don't consider myself left wing (I'm not anything, just a believer) but I am not against socialism. It's not a concept that is unbiblical.
It very much is. Atheism is at the core of socialist ideology. And that's before we get into.....you know.....the oceans of blood on its hands. And the way socialists persecute Christians every chance they get.
In fact Jesus always taught about giving to the poor.
But never about making the government force others to give to the poor.
It seems like anti-socialism is an American thing, not a Christian thing.
It SHOULD be a Christian thing. Because if there's one thing history shows, it is that whereever socialism arises, it tries to eradicate the Church. Of course it never entirely succeeds. The gates of hell shall not prevail against Her, of course, but that's still no reason to egg it on.
Some of these things can be traced back to the Levitical law (like the death penalty) but not the new covenant law taught by Jesus.
Hiya, Marcion! I thought you died in the mid-2nd century. How did you manage to live for this long?
No, socialism is about wealth distribution... You still have freedom...
False. Go look at every single socialist country that exists now, or has existed in the past, and you'll see the exact opposite of this.
And this is clearly more moral and what Jesus taught in the bible.
So Jesus thought that religion is the opiate of the masses ( = Enforced atheism), and that the Apostles should instead concern themselves with creating paradise now by working to overthrow the Roman Empire, and confiscate everyone's property so they could then "redistribute" as they saw fit?
No. And anyone who claims this has never actually read the Bible.
It is is moral and more of what Jesus taught about.
Repeating a falsehood doesn't make it true. Goebbels was wrong.
I wouldn't be surprised if some sort of socialism was incorporated when Jesus sets up his kingdom on earth.
Then you WILL be surprised when He doesn't.
I would say it is selfless, because you think about the common good, and loving your neighbours, rather than just the individualistic aspect and focusing on the self.
Yeah, sure, and I'm the Chinese Emperor. Now, kowtow, peasants!
But the principle of the system is moral and definitely in line with what Jesus taught.
Repeating a falsehood doesn't make it true. Goebbels was wrong.
It is only forceful if you see it that way...
Right, Morpheus, but outside of the universe of the Matrix-trilogy, there are such things as objective truths.
If you see it as giving back to the common good, and if you have the attitude of not being greedy
Fun fact: Socialists are the most greedy of all
And socialism the most greedy system of all. It demands everyone's wealth, and then claims to "distribute" it back as it sees fit.
Socialism exists in the US as well. Only the money does not go towards social programs but more towards corporations and military spending.
Please, oh, PLEASE don't tell me you subscribe to the ridiculous idea "If something is tax-funded, that's socialism"?
Jesus would rather money go back to people than to wars.
Jesus would rather money go to the people who earned them, than to greedy Party officials.
See? Two can play the "take Jesus hostage in a strawman-argument"-game.
No, because individual liberties include the right to basic health care or basic shelter for people who can't pay for it.
That's an ideological statement.
Not that I disagree that those things are good (and, also, not socialist in nature. The world's first welfare state was Bismarck's Germany), but let's keep things real here.
And with a completely capitalist society this is impossible. So individual liberties are protected when you have some socialism.
"Some" socialism
That's like saying "a little bit pregnant".
And no. Individual liberties are not protected in socialist countries. Again: Look at all past and present socialist countries.
N But what socialism is supposed to be, and the principles of it, are indeed moral and help people.
No. No, there's nothing moral or helpful about militant atheism, and the narrative that society should be guided by the Party towards a communist utopia at some point in the future, while in the present running a "dictatorship of the proletariat"
As for the left, even though what they believe is wrong, at least many of liberals motives are right and they really do want to help people.
Almost everyone wants to help people. Some people, at least. In that sense, almost everyone's "motives are right".
While a lot of right wingers care more about themselves rather than other people (not all, but many do).
You just described leftwingers there. And conveniently ignored that it's been documented that conservatives are vastly more likely to donate to charity than leftists are.
You know Jesus Christ would have been considered a liberal at the time when he was preaching the gospel on earth?
Repeating a falsehood doesn't make it true. Goebbels was wrong.
As for what in the left is Christian, the focus on giving back and wealth distribution and socialist aspects definitely are.
There's no more focus on "giving back" in leftist ideology, than there is on love in sexual assault crimes.
The key difference between the left and Christianity, is that in the latter, wealth redistribution is voluntary, and every....single....example supports this.
This is not true with leftism.
As well as letting people in away from oppressive countries so we may preach the gospel to them and show them Jesus (of course that's not the motive of most liberals, but at least they are not for completely closing off borders).
Open borders, thereby cursing your own people and country to suffer the effects of uncontrolled migration is most definitely NOT a Christian thing to do.
The reason leftists are in favor of this is EXACTLY because of its consequences: The erosion of society, social cohesion and in order to use the illegal immigrants as tools to grab power.
And some other things like caring for the environment (some liberals worship the creation which is wrong, but respecting and appreciating God's creation is right)..
Socialist countries are some of the most polluting societies on the planet.
And basically caring and looking out for others regardless of their status would be more Christian and in line with the teachings of Jesus.