Why Are Masks Triggering Conflict and Rage?

[trunks2k]

Every year an estimated 290,000 to 650,000 people die in the world due to complications from seasonal influenza (flu) viruses. This figure corresponds to 795 to 1,781 deaths per day due to the seasonal flu.

Now let's look at Covid-19 deaths....

746,000 in 5 months so far this year...
6,500+ yesterday and it really wasn't a special day...

"There's already one serial killer in this town. So why does it matter if there's a second one? Sure, this one is killing more people, but does that really matter at this point?"

 

[JohnDB]

"There's already one serial killer in this town. So why does it matter if there's a second one? Sure, this one is killing more people, but does that really matter at this point?"

No kidding...

I'm just shocked that in view of these stats and the recent ones that children, who really don't understand the danger, are being allowed back in school. They are the ones who are going to have the most difficulties with masks. Especially during lunchtime.

 

[trunks2k]

I'm just shocked that in view of these stats and the recent ones that children, who really don't understand the danger, are being allowed back in school. They are the ones who are going to have the most difficulties with masks. Especially during lunchtime.

I've sent my kids back to day care. My son is 1 and is too young for a mask at all. My daughter is almost 4. They manage to, for the most part, keep the masks on the kids in her class. I don't think keeping masks on kids older than is some sort of impossible task. Hard at the start, sure, but once it becomes routine...

 

[JohnDB]

I've sent my kids back to day care. My son is 1 and is too young for a mask at all. My daughter is almost 4. They manage to, for the most part, keep the masks on the kids in her class. I don't think keeping masks on kids older than is some sort of impossible task. Hard at the start, sure, but once it becomes routine...

Masks certainly help a lot...but they aren't everything if surrounded by sick people...a look at hospital staff infections will tell you that immediately.

I'm hoping for a better year next year.

I'm crying over Christmas...thats my favorite time of year with tons of home made goodies going to all my friends... including gingerbread house neighborhoods from decorating parties for the children.

 

[Sistrin]

Why Are Masks Triggering Conflict and Rage?

A wise people never willingly surrenders its liberty because no government ever willingly surrenders its control of the people.

 

[geetrue]

What if this was happening in the days of old ... lets say in the days of St Paul and Nero said, "Everyone wear mask till we have a cure for this virus" or "Everyone stay home that has flu like symptoms till we can regulate better what to do about it"

Nero would not only lock you up, but feed you to the lions if you disobeyed and that's why the NT has included in the Book of Romans alone to obey the laws and the magistrates. Remember the Word of God is forever and does not come back to Him void. heaven and earth may pass away, but my Words are forever.

Wear the mask and stay home if your sick

 

[KCfromNC]

A wise people never willingly surrenders its liberty because no government ever willingly surrenders its control of the people.

Interesting platitude, and yet people were allowed to stop wearing masks after the Spanish flu.

 

[jollybear]

What if this was happening in the days of old ... lets say in the days of St Paul and Nero said, "Everyone wear mask till we have a cure for this virus" or "Everyone stay home that has flu like symptoms till we can regulate better what to do about it"

Nero would not only lock you up, but feed you to the lions if you disobeyed and that's why the NT has included in the Book of Romans alone to obey the laws and the magistrates. Remember the Word of God is forever and does not come back to Him void. heaven and earth may pass away, but my Words are forever.

Wear the mask and stay home if your sick

Ya and nero banned Christian assembly and it was right of Christians to disobey him.

 

[jollybear]

So you ignore the numbers, latch on to one fuzzy word and throw out the the entire thing.

I've had enough of this.

The numbers aren't real and at a minimum arent known.

Its not a fuzzy word either. The articles you gave me are honestly admitting there assumptions.

Assumptions aren't proof.

You had enough? What a joke that is. More like I've had enough.

What numbers are accurate, and how do you know?

No one knows truly, not me or you.

However, the CDC admits on its site that when death certificates are done doctors can presume covid19. Well it dont take a genius to figure out that this isnt right.

Secondly, CDC also admits that even if there assumptions are correct, the death % is less then 1%.

ALSO hospitals recieve more money for covid19 patients and even more for covid19 deaths. Again. It dont take a rocket scientist to figure out this isnt good.

So if the facts are wrong, you're right. But even if they facts were different, you'd still be right.

Amazing. Umm.....these aren't facts.

Simply asserting the same thing over and over isn't all that convincing.

I dont need to do anything other at this point then to keep asserting the OBVIOUS. You......did......not......address......my......point.

Recap, point was if others wish to protect themselves against said virus, then THEY can do so.

Wearing a mask in public is not sacrificing the world.

You missed the point completely. Why do so many people cannot build on the discussion? Follow the context.

On the other hand, dead people don't really get to enjoy the freedoms they once had.

The afterlife. No im not debating that here. But again, whats point of living if you cant be free?

Yes, for example by using their freedom to enact laws which prevent people put them at risk from being in public. Seems simple enough.

Again, if they want to take no risk, then THEY can take the precautions, not me. Im not putting them at risk if THEY protect themselves. I'm the one taking risk.

Address that. Please.

 

[KCfromNC]

No one knows truly, not me or you.

So then they could be higher, as shown by the excess death statistics from this year. You might actually be under-reacting to the problem.

Recap, point was if others wish to protect themselves against said virus, then THEY can do so.

Yep, they are. Hence laws and policies requiring mask use in public.

The afterlife. No im not debating that here. But again, whats point of living if you cant be free?

You seem to be laboring under the misconception that freedom is binary. That is, that freedom requires the complete lack of restrictions on any possible action you'd want to take. Perhaps you can come up with a few ideas of why that it totally unworkable and get back to us with something more aligned with how rights work in a civilized society?

Again, if they want to take no risk, then THEY can take the precautions, not me. Im not putting them at risk if THEY protect themselves. I'm the one taking risk.

Address that. Please.

I did, last time you posted it. You even responded to it (granted, by ignoring what I wrote and just reasserting the same mistake). You're ignoring the fact that you going out in public without a mask does put other people at higher risk than if you'd chosen to behave responsibly in the face of a global pandemic.

All of the rest of the nonsense about avoiding a mask being freedom, hand-washing being government tyranny, making up stories about why the numbers must be wrong, acting as if 160,000 people dying is no big deal - all those just read like rationalizations to convince one that they are OK ignoring doing what they really know is the right thing to do, but they just don't feel like it.

I'm guessing once this gets bad enough people will eventually come around. Hopefully without doing any serious harm to their families or friends in the process. That would be quite a burden to live with, knowing that they could have done something to help the problem and instead resorted to catchy-sounding spin to justify anti-social behavior.

 

[durangodawood]

Interesting platitude, and yet people were allowed to stop wearing masks after the Spanish flu.

Such a dumb platitude.

Govts (both liberal and conservative) have deregulated/legalized many things many times.

 

[jollybear]

So then they could be higher, as shown by the excess death statistics from this year. You might actually be under-reacting to the problem.

And they could be lower. Suicide rates go up to around this covid stuff. You could be over reacting.

Yep, they are. Hence laws and policies requiring mask use in public.

you missed my point.

You seem to be laboring under the misconception that freedom is binary. That is, that freedom requires the complete lack of restrictions on any possible action you'd want to take. Perhaps you can come up with a few ideas of why that it totally unworkable and get back to us with something more aligned with how rights work in a civilized society?

I dont care what your definition of freedom is. I'm not gonna argue over that word. Freedom to me is simply the ability to choose without restriction or punishment. In this case, im talking about masks.

I did, last time you posted it. You even responded to it (granted, by ignoring what I wrote and just reasserting the same mistake). You're ignoring the fact that you going out in public without a mask does put other people at higher risk than if you'd chosen to behave responsibly in the face of a global pandemic.

Your wasting my time at this point. No.....you did not address my ACTUAL point. And thats your FREEDOM to do so. Its also your freedom to think you did, despite the FACT you didn't. So....oh well.

All of the rest of the nonsense about avoiding a mask being freedom, hand-washing being government tyranny, making up stories about why the numbers must be wrong, acting as if 160,000 people dying is no big deal - all those just read like rationalizations to convince one that they are OK ignoring doing what they really know is the right thing to do, but they just don't feel like it.

This quote everything in it is dishonest now. Which means your wasting my time.

I'm guessing once this gets bad enough people will eventually come around. Hopefully without doing any serious harm to their families or friends in the process. That would be quite a burden to live with, knowing that they could have done something to help the problem and instead resorted to catchy-sounding spin to justify anti-social behavior.

Ahuh, sure.......

I think this will be my last post to you UNLESS you address my point.

 

[Mayzoo]

I'm guessing once this gets bad enough people will eventually come around. Hopefully without doing any serious harm to their families or friends in the process. That would be quite a burden to live with, knowing that they could have done something to help the problem and instead resorted to catchy-sounding spin to justify anti-social behavior.

Nah, odds are if someone they love dies over this, they will find someone else to blame--possibly even the person who died as they must not have done enough to protect themselves. I rather doubt ANY burden would be felt.

Denial and rationalizations are amazing, albeit dangerous, things.

 

[KCfromNC]

And they could be lower. Suicide rates go up to around this covid stuff. You could be over reacting.

"Overreacting" by bearing the terrible burden of wearing a mask when I go grocery shopping. Oh no. How could I possibly live with myself if I err on the side of caution when there's a deadly disease going around that killed 160,000+ Americans in a few months. I'm sure I'm going to regret not ignoring their deaths and instead writing empty platitudes about how FREEDOM! is more important than their lives.

you missed my point.

You keep saying this, and yet your post can seem to provide no evidence that it is true. Seems to be a pattern, in fact.

I dont care what your definition of freedom is. I'm not gonna argue over that word. Freedom to me is simply the ability to choose without restriction or punishment. In this case, im talking about masks.

I can see why you'd want to sidestep a definition of freedom. Because I can use your definition to show that it is freedom for restaurant employees to not wash their hands after using the bathroom. Or for one to drive drunk. Or for people to steal from small businesses. Or to kidnap children.

After all, those are all "simply the ability to choose without restriction or punishment", which by your definition is FREEDOM! Perhaps you can start to see the issue with your formulation of rights and responsibilities of living in a free society.

I think this will be my last post to you UNLESS you address my point.

It would be easier to take this seriously if any of the claims of "missing the point" or "ignoring the point" didn't come right after me directly addressing those points.

 

[jollybear]

"Overreacting" by bearing the terrible burden of wearing a mask when I go grocery shopping. Oh no. How could I possibly live with myself if I err on the side of caution when there's a deadly disease going around that killed 160,000+ Americans in a few months. I'm sure I'm going to regret not ignoring their deaths and instead writing empty platitudes about how FREEDOM! is more important than their lives.



You keep saying this, and yet your post can seem to provide no evidence that it is true. Seems to be a pattern, in fact.



I can see why you'd want to sidestep a definition of freedom. Because I can use your definition to show that it is freedom for restaurant employees to not wash their hands after using the bathroom. Or for one to drive drunk. Or for people to steal from small businesses. Or to kidnap children.

After all, those are all "simply the ability to choose without restriction or punishment", which by your definition is FREEDOM! Perhaps you can start to see the issue with your formulation of rights and responsibilities of living in a free society.



It would be easier to take this seriously if any of the claims of "missing the point" or "ignoring the point" didn't come right after me directly addressing those points.

Did you wear a mask before covid19 during flu season?

 

[KCfromNC]

Did you wear a mask before covid19 during flu season?

Oh, hey, we hadn't seen the "covid is just like the flu (if you ignore all the facts about it)" argument yet. Do proceed, I need the laugh.

 

[JohnDB]

From Worldometer:

Every year an estimated 290,000 to 650,000 people die in the world due to complications from seasonal influenza (flu) viruses. This figure corresponds to 795 to 1,781 deaths per day due to the seasonal flu.

 

[jollybear]

Oh, hey, we hadn't seen the "covid is just like the flu (if you ignore all the facts about it)" argument yet. Do proceed, I need the laugh.

Never said covid19 was just like the flu. My question in itself pretty much distinguished it.

Did you wear a mask before covid19 during flu season?

 

[Mayzoo]

From Worldometer:

Every year an estimated 290,000 to 650,000 people die in the world due to complications from seasonal influenza (flu) viruses. This figure corresponds to 795 to 1,781 deaths per day due to the seasonal flu.

One major difference:

FLu: You get the flu and if you get over it, 99% of the time you move on with your life.

Covid: You get Covid and if you get over it, you have a high percentage chance of long term (possibly permanent) damage to your lungs, brain, kidneys, or heart.

 

[JohnDB]

One major difference:

FLu: You get the flu and if you get over it, you move on with your life.

Covid: You get Covid and if you get over it, you have a high percentage chance of long term (possibly permanent) damage to your lungs, brain, kidneys, or heart.

Look carefully at the Influenza numbers and then compare the fact that we have surpassed those numbers in less than half of a year with Covid-19 infections.

That's what I was pointing out.