Why Are Masks Triggering Conflict and Rage?

[JackRT]

Oh that's not what I meant...not at all.

What I was saying was that this has happened before...and that the conservatives were generally pro- mask and liberals anti Mask...

This time it's backwards from that. Which is kinda odd.

A hundred years ago The Republicans were liberal and the Democrats were conservative and they since have done a complete switch. It happened mostly in the 1960s with the "Southern Strategy".

 

[Mayzoo]

"My freedom Trumps all"

This is what I get out the comments on this thread:

My freedom is more important than the lives and welfare of other human beings. Let them die so long as I do not feel any of my freedoms infringed upon.

Might as well say it for what it is--there is no reason to candy coat it.

My freedom is more important than the life of someone I do not know.

 

[jollybear]

A hundred years ago The Republicans were liberal and the Democrats were conservative and they since have done a complete switch. It happened mostly in the 1960s with the "Southern Strategy".

Good to keep in mind that that flu killed a greater % then does covid19.

My freedom is more important than the lives and welfare of other human beings. Let them die so long as I do not feel any of my freedoms infringed upon.

Might as well say it for what it is: My freedom is more important than the life of someone I do not know.

Actually no, thats a twist of my words.

My freedom is not responsible for killing anyone because THEY can potentially "save there own lives" by implementing these precautions.

 

[Mayzoo]

Actually no, thats a twist of my words.

My freedom is not responsible for killing anyone because THEY can potentially "save there own lives" by implementing these precautions.

I did not quote nor am I speaking with you any longer. So I did not misquote you. I am speaking of the masses who refuse to wear masks.

You are in God's capable hands. I am commanded only to try a few times, then I am commanded to release you into God's capable hands.

 

[jollybear]

I did not quote nor am I speaking with you any longer. So I did not misquote you. I am speaking of the masses who refuse to wear masks.

You are in God's capable hands. I am commanded only to try a few times, then I am commanded to release you into God's capable hands.

True, you didnt quote me, but you spoke about all none mask wearers as having the same motivation. And thats not true. I will not grant you your point that we are selfish. Some may be. But, most of us like myself believe that we are personally responsible for our health and life and no one else is responsible for us. Its more selfish that the mob demand that others change there lives to revolve around them, as if they are the center of the universe. There not. If they are afraid, THEY can wear the stupid mask themselves or wear a hasmat suit.

 

[JohnDB]

The needs of the many don't outweigh the wants of the one...

And all the while claiming "I'm not selfish"

I wonder who is going to buy that?

 

[Bobber]

OK I've got a bone to pick. I've read this below from some medical article and in my opinion there' just NO WAY this can be true. Opinions welcome!

MYTH: Wearing a mask causes you to inhale too much carbon dioxide, which can make you sick.

FACT: Wearing a cloth mask will not cause dizziness, lightheadedness, and headaches (also known as hypercapnia or carbon dioxide toxicity). Carbon dioxide passes through the mask, it does not build up inside the mask. If you feel dizzy or get a headache, you may be dehydrated since wearing a mask doesn’t make it as easy to drink water. We recommend keeping yourself very hydrated.

Debunking common face mask misconceptions

Now look. The only time I wear a mask is entering a store. Whatever amount of liquids I've ever drank HAS NOT changed because of covid. If this were true that the only reason I feel dizzy or lightheaded is because I haven't drank much water or am dehydrated wouldn't I have experienced that all other times? Surely I would have!

But usually about 6 minutes in a store I experience a dizzy lightheaded feeling and this medical piece wants to suggest it's not because I'm wearing a mask? If I could borrow a term by Joe Biden, "Come on MAN!" My wife has the same thing happen to her as well. Talked to others....THE SAME! So what is it with this thing that they're trying to talk people out of things they down right KNOW are facts?!

Look I know what water dehydration dizziness is like. I worked years ago in buildings which didn't have any air conditioning in heat waves and I know what that can be like. This is nothing like that when wearing a mask. So it has to be oxygen depletion or something like that taking place by wearing the mask. Is there anyone who can claim that it isn't? It's just hard not to believe we keep getting lied to.

 

[jollybear]

The needs of the many don't outweigh the wants of the one...

And all the while claiming "I'm not selfish"

I wonder who is going to buy that?

The needs of the many wont be effected by this virus.

As for the FEW it does negatively effect, AGAIN THEY can take the precautions to protect themselves.

Why is no one addressing this obvious point?

No, its not i thats selfish, its you folks who demand that you want others to give up there freedom UNESESARILY for others and that is selfish.

 

[Mayzoo]

The needs of the many don't outweigh the wants of the one...

And all the while claiming "I'm not selfish"

I wonder who is going to buy that?

The only people who "buy it" are those who espouse it. They eschew science because it does not agree with their world view, and their personal freedoms.

Sadly, they infect thousands who infect tens of thousands simply because they believe it is their "right" to do so, and they adamantly refuse will to give up that "right."

 

[jollybear]

The only people who "buy it" are those who espouse it. They eschew science because it does not agree with their world view, and their personal freedoms.

Sadly, they infect thousands who infect tens of thousands simply because they believe it is their "right" to do so, and they adamantly refuse will to give up that "right."

Why do you absolutely REFUSE to address the point that if others are afraid then THEY can take the precautions without demanding others cater to them?

You have the additude of a tyrant.

Tyrants addidude > do as I say. Why? For others protection.

Question to tyrant, but they can protect themselves.

Tyrant responds 'dont question the order, just do it you selfish person'

 

[JohnDB]

Minimizing, blame shifting, and disregard for clear directives...

WOW...
I thought that the lessons of Genesis 3 were kinda obvious for everyone.

 

[JackRT]

So, the Bible was wrong. We are not our brothers keeper. And there is no need to be a good Samaritan.

 

[jollybear]

Minimizing, blame shifting, and disregard for clear directives...

Still not addressing the point. Then falsely apply to me what belongs to you and then fall right back to your directive.........yep, a TRUE blue tyrant at heart.

WOW...
I thought that the lessons of Genesis 3 were kinda obvious for everyone.

And Satan is a tyrant. Wink wink.

So, the Bible was wrong. We are not our brothers keeper. And there is no need to be a good Samaritan.

Oh we are to help others, but others are not to demand we cater to them in irrational ways, especially when they can take those precautions themselves.

Again no one is addressing this because your tyrants at heart. Your hearts are not right with God.

 

[Mayzoo]

Minimizing, blame shifting, and disregard for clear directives...

WOW...
I thought that the lessons of Genesis 3 were kinda obvious for everyone.

For these groups to have the "freedom" of refusing to wear a mask, they are condemning those at higher risk to lockdown for the next year or more as the only means left to them to protect themselves. But, that is not their problem as long as they are not inconvenienced, it does not matter what happens to, let's see how did Christ put it, "the least of those." Matthew 25:40

I know an 18-year old that has already been on lockdown since March, and is now condemned to stay at home, with no outside interactions, because of these "free" people. But hey, she falls in the same category of those that are disposable anyway, and they don't deserve any freedoms if it in any way inconveniences those who are not disadvantaged.

From what I have read, they don't even deserve life, let alone any freedoms.

 

[jollybear]

For these groups to have the "freedom" of refusing to wear a mask, they are condemning those at higher risk to lockdown for the next year or more as the only means left to them to protect themselves. But, that is not their problem as long as they are not inconvenienced, it does not matter what happens to, let's see how did Christ put it, "the least of those." Matthew 25:40

They can protect themselves with these precautions, others don't have to do this too.

I know an 18 year that has already been on lockdown since March, and is now condemned to stay at home, with no outside interactions, because of these "free" people. But hey, she falls in the same category of those that are disposable anyway, and they don't deserve any freedoms if it in any way inconveniences those who are not disadvantaged.

From what I have read, they don't even deserve life, let alone any freedoms.

Unbelievable. So whats better, the few immune compromised lock down or the whole world?

The answer should be obvious, the few.

Again, they can protect themselves.

Why wont you address this.....tyrant?

 

[JohnDB]

When it comes to something like a peanut allergy...there are so few people who have it it's not reasonable for people to give up an inexpensive food for the reactions of a few.

But when speaking about a highly infectious disease it's no longer unreasonable to ask that people do some minimal things to protect everyone else.

Like obeying traffic rules assists everyone else in survival asking people to wear masks and face shields is not a huge thing.

 

[Mayzoo]

When it comes to something like a peanut allergy...there are so few people who have it it's not reasonable for people to give up an inexpensive food for the reactions of a few.

But when speaking about a highly infectious disease it's no longer unreasonable to ask that people do some minimal things to protect everyone else.

Like obeying traffic rules assists everyone else in survival asking people to wear masks and face shields is not a huge thing.

If everyone was charitable towards others, no one would need to be on lockdown. But that is not the way of many Americans.

When God commanded compassion and charitableness towards others He was being a horrible dictator I guess, so no need for some to obey Him.

 

[Bobber]

So, the Bible was wrong. We are not our brothers keeper. And there is no need to be a good Samaritan.

Or maybe others view it that by signing on to the mask wearing that they're putting others into mental stress which can break them down and that maybe it's not always justified? Also that people can feel lightheaded and dizzy by wearing masks which can't be good for them either? Who knows what effect that can have upon some people. (see post 287 which nobody addressed) Maybe others can look upon the Good Samaritan story in a different way than you?

 

[Mayzoo]

Or maybe others view it that by signing on to the mask wearing that they're putting others into mental stress which can break them down and that maybe it's not always justified? Also that people can feel lightheaded and dizzy by wearing masks which can't be good for them either? Who knows what effect that can have upon some people. (see post 287 which nobody addressed) Maybe others can look upon the Good Samaritan story in a different way than you?

People with normal pulmonary function do not have a medical problem with wearing a mask.

If you have compromised pulmonary function, you need to see a doc (and I would recommend telehealth at this point). You need to be extra careful, and you need those around you to wear a mask to help protect you. You would be in the category of people relying on others to help protect you. And if that is the case, I am sorry, as way too many people have no interest in helping their fellow man.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

My freedom is more important than the lives and welfare of other human beings. Let them die so long as I do not feel any of my freedoms infringed upon.

Might as well say it for what it is--there is no reason to candy coat it.

My freedom is more important than the life of someone I do not know.

Spoken like a True Christian and Trump supporter. Trump 2024!