Why Are Masks Triggering Conflict and Rage?

[Angeltp]

Yeah, we are fat and lazy for the most part. I went for a run in our local park and everyone that was just walking and stopping and walking were always looking down at there phones- and most were fat. I even asked another runner what was wrong? He said he didn't know, but then I realized it was just Saturday in the park, I'm usually there on weekdays.

Sadly we are reaping our lifestyle choices here. If you lose weight and raise your V02 Max through training, you are adding endurance and the ability to ventilate. Thus you can fight any sickness better and you will have better quality of life.

Good talk

 

[cow451]

Yes I agree. However, I also believe it's the media. People will always have different opinions on various topics but I believe the media is causing people to be divided by the narrative they are painting. They are loving this division, it helps them with ratings, and their agenda. Now there is truth in what they are saying but also they way they say it, creates the division which they embraces.

Trump is the guy loving it. He wants a high level of conflict, including violence in the streets.

 

[cow451]

I think "I don't buy it" has the meaning of "I will never believe it, no matter the amount of evidence provided."

I don't understand why you bother.

Sometimes “I don’t buy it” means I don’t believe the load of crap you posted. Just sayin’ ...

 

[loveofourlord]

Concern over its safety is different than stating, I am not at risk, so I won't get it and to heck with those that are higher risk who are dependent on others to help them stay safe.

That is what the mask thing seems to come down to. They won't wear one despite the need to wear one to protect others who are at higher risk. Other people's health and lives are simply not important enough for them to wear one.

true, my plan is to get the flu vaccine, and depending on the state of my town when the covid vaccine is ready take it or not, if were still safe I might wait a bit, if were middle of covidpocalypse I might get it. My town hasn't been hit, as far as I know so were relativly safe...but also a disaster waiting to happen.

 

[jollybear]

Wearing a mask is supposed to reduce the infection risk for others and not yourself. Why won't you understand that?

Why wont you understand that I resume risk for myself and hold no one else liable.

Why wont you understand that if those retail workers are afraid and can't stay home, then THEY can wear the mask and distance themselves from me.

Some people cannot stay at home, e.g retail workers. You're intentionally increasing the chances of these people to get the virus by not wearing a mask.

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Your only ptoving through your admission that they wearing masks for themselves and distancing doesn't work. Thus my point, we cannot live in a bubble, nor should we otherwise we live in a authoritarian world.

I hope every business out there refuses to let you in, because when you're acting like a male Karen then you should feel the consequences for being a terrible person.

Nope, your a terrible person for telling me I'm responsible for what you fear. NO IM NOT.

 

[jollybear]

Except the 80 'mild' arn't mild damage wise, they arn't coughing up a lung but ct scans and such are showing damage, and MANY kids are likly to have long lasting permanite damage that could cause asthma and such as they grow older. Your calousness isn't helping.

AND YES YOU ARE. You have been warned that you might be carrying a disease and not know it you no longer have the excuse of, "I wasn't intentionally or knowingly spreading a disease." the majorit of those spreading the disease to those that die are those like you who don't realize they have it, it's a fact, you don't get to want all your rights then pretend your not culpable for people dying.

 

[jollybear]

Except the 80 'mild' arn't mild damage wise, they arn't coughing up a lung but ct scans and such are showing damage, and MANY kids are likly to have long lasting permanite damage that could cause asthma and such as they grow older. Your calousness isn't helping.

Theres no proof that most people, kids or otherwise have permanent damage.

AND YES YOU ARE. You have been warned that you might be carrying a disease and not know it you no longer have the excuse of, "I wasn't intentionally or knowingly spreading a disease." the majorit of those spreading the disease to those that die are those like you who don't realize they have it, it's a fact, you don't get to want all your rights then pretend your not culpable for people dying.

NO IM NOT responsible.

I'm no more responsible for someone dying of a virus then I am of them dying in a accident or heart disease or cancer or anything else.

You even admitted that you are responsible for SOME dying despite the precautions you do take. So answer my questions, are you gonna use even more precautions, like goggles, a hazmat suite, spreys, ect?

Also should you be arrested for those SOME people youl still kill despite your precautions?

Please answer those questions.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Why wont you understand that I resume risk for myself and hold no one else liable.

I truly don't buy that from any Libertarian who is living on the grid. When you choose to be part of society you automatically compromise some of your freedoms for the greater good in one way or another. Additionally, you yourself EXPECT that from other people and you DO hold others liable.

So, unless you're writing this from your off-the-grid home where you generate your own electric and you are truly assuming risk for yourself and hold no one else liable then it's hard to believe that you truly live by that mantra.

Why wont you understand that if those retail workers are afraid and can't stay home, then THEY can wear the mask and distance themselves from me.

This is like saying "Why wont you understand that if other drivers are afraid of me drinking a bottle of vodka before I drive then THEY can wear the seat belts or stay off the roads to distance themselves from ME."

No, society doesn't work that way. When we live together we all compromise some of our freedoms because of others' rights to safety and well-being. You have other options if you want to be truly independent and free. If you want, however, to live with other people then you have to make concessions just as they have to make concessions to you.

Here's a clue: The closer you are to a big city center, the more you have to concede your freedoms in order to make living there work. In the middle of NYC, you can't walk around doing the things you can do out in the mountains of Montana. The further you get from big city centers, the more of your freedoms you get back. I can't park my car in Manhattan without paying a lot (whether street or parking garage), but in the suburbs I can easily park for little or no money as long as I obey strict rules. Out in the wilderness I can park wherever I want for the most part for as long as I want.

That's how everything works in this life. I think that Libertarians who truly want a libertarian lifestyle can absolutly have it but many of them kind of want to have their cake and eat it too in that they want all the benefits of living with other people but none of the responsibilities that come with those benefits.

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Your only ptoving through your admission that they wearing masks for themselves and distancing doesn't work. Thus my point, we cannot live in a bubble, nor should we otherwise we live in a authoritarian world.

Nope, your a terrible person for telling me I'm responsible for what you fear. NO IM NOT.

You're responsible for what you fear and it's up to you to take action rather than impose your ideas on us. That's why Libertarianism is not popular and will never gain traction with a society of people.

 

[loveofourlord]

Theres no proof that most people, kids or otherwise have permanent damage.



NO IM NOT responsible.

I'm no more responsible for someone dying of a virus then I am of them dying in a accident or heart disease or cancer or anything else.

You even admitted that you are responsible for SOME dying despite the precautions you do take. So answer my questions, are you gonna use even more precautions, like goggles, a hazmat suite, spreys, ect?

Also should you be arrested for those SOME people youl still kill despite your precautions?

Please answer those questions.

you keep saying that, but you are responsible it's called being a adult and living in society. Your killing people with your own ignorance, you may think you get away with it, but I doubt gods going to accept your arguments if you end up killing people over selfish childish behavior. 1400 people dying a day because people like you are acting like children.

Oh grow up I said I might be, covids never hit my town yet so it's unlikly, but the point is, whose more responsible for deaths. Someone that does everything right but something goes wrong, or the other person that acts recklessly and does everything wrong?

People are dying and you couldn't care who you kill.

 

[JS659]

Trump is the guy loving it. He wants a high level of conflict, including violence in the streets.

It is not just one person, it's not just one party. Don't trust the media not the LEFT or RIGHT, look directly at the legislation that is passed and who signs off on it You will find your answer. Look who pays the media you will find your answer. I'm not a Trump fan, I'm not Republican nor Democrat. I really try to stay focused on the Spiritual side of it The best thing to do is pray. If you focus on the wrong enemy and try to take them down another one will just rise up in his place. We need to focus on the true enemy. When we take him down, everything else falls.

 

[BNR32FAN]

In a similar way, face masks are tied to the political conflict over our response to the coronavirus. Those who lean left politically tend to see the virus as a more dire threat; those on the right are more likely to downplay its seriousness or compare it to less deadly strains like the flu, often following the lead of conservative politicians.

Accordingly, masks may be seen as a marker of political loyalty, triggering feelings of us-versus-them. A politically liberal person may assume that someone wearing a mask is “on their team,” while those who don’t wear masks must be Fox News-watching Republicans. The anger they feel is not simply about the mask, but about believing the non-mask wearer is a certain type of person.

On the flip side, the politically conservative might interpret calls for masks as politically-driven efforts to play up the seriousness of the coronavirus. Being asked to don a mask then becomes not just a request to protect the health of others, but to give up their worldview and political allegiance. It may feel like asking a Red Sox fan to put on a Yankees jersey.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...05/why-are-masks-triggering-conflict-and-rage

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This an article I thought was poignant. Don't shoot the messenger please .

The question in the poll is not a yes or no question.

 

[BNR32FAN]

In a similar way, face masks are tied to the political conflict over our response to the coronavirus. Those who lean left politically tend to see the virus as a more dire threat; those on the right are more likely to downplay its seriousness or compare it to less deadly strains like the flu, often following the lead of conservative politicians.

Accordingly, masks may be seen as a marker of political loyalty, triggering feelings of us-versus-them. A politically liberal person may assume that someone wearing a mask is “on their team,” while those who don’t wear masks must be Fox News-watching Republicans. The anger they feel is not simply about the mask, but about believing the non-mask wearer is a certain type of person.

On the flip side, the politically conservative might interpret calls for masks as politically-driven efforts to play up the seriousness of the coronavirus. Being asked to don a mask then becomes not just a request to protect the health of others, but to give up their worldview and political allegiance. It may feel like asking a Red Sox fan to put on a Yankees jersey.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...05/why-are-masks-triggering-conflict-and-rage

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This an article I thought was poignant. Don't shoot the messenger please .

I think most adults understand the importance of wearing a mask and don’t associate wearing them with any particular political agenda. Now I’m sure of course you have your “conspiracy theorists” out there who will make all kinds of ridiculous claims, then there’s those who just defy authority, and there’s those who just don’t like to be inconvenienced in any way and think they are above the rules. But I think the majority of people understand the reason for wearing masks and from what I see most people are complying out of a sense of collective cooperation or courtesy to do what’s best for each other.

 

[cow451]

true, my plan is to get the flu vaccine, and depending on the state of my town when the covid vaccine is ready take it or not, if were still safe I might wait a bit, if were middle of covidpocalypse I might get it. My town hasn't been hit, as far as I know so were relativly safe...but also a disaster waiting to happen.

It's coming. Unless you live in some wasteland nobody ever visits and anyone that leaves never returns.

 

[cow451]

Why wont you understand that I resume risk for myself and hold no one else liable.

Were it something you got sick with and could not spread to anyone else and you could bear the absolute cost of being treated, then I would be cool with it.

 

[loveofourlord]

It's coming. Unless you live in some wasteland nobody ever visits and anyone that leaves never returns.

hehe we...sorta are, not quiet, but were a good sized town, but you need multiple ferries to get here from hotspots, and travel is limited for the most part. I know it will hit, but hoping it doesn't get too bad.

 

[cow451]

NO IM NOT responsible.

I agree.

 

[cow451]

It is not just one person, it's not just one party. Don't trust the media not the LEFT or RIGHT, look directly at the legislation that is passed and who signs off on it You will find your answer. Look who pays the media you will find your answer. I'm not a Trump fan, I'm not Republican nor Democrat. I really try to stay focused on the Spiritual side of it The best thing to do is pray. If you focus on the wrong enemy and try to take them down another one will just rise up in his place. We need to focus on the true enemy. When we take him down, everything else falls.

The extreme elements are not the real problem. It's people in powerful positions like Mr. Trump that are the real threat. Trump thrives on creating conflict. It is the one thing at which he excels. That makes him so dangerous and that is why he loves violence and open conflict.

 

[RushMAN]

The question in the poll is not a yes or no question.

I realized that but I can't fix the question. I did try but the software wouldn't let me.

On edit:

I was able to add two choices, make it a multiple vote, and allow votes to be changed.

 

[jollybear]

I truly don't buy that from any Libertarian who is living on the grid. When you choose to be part of society you automatically compromise some of your freedoms for the greater good in one way or another. Additionally, you yourself EXPECT that from other people and you DO hold others liable.

Lets keep this in context. If I get sick, I hold NO ONE LIABLE FOR IT, period. I took the risk, period. Case closed.

So, unless you're writing this from your off-the-grid home where you generate your own electric and you are truly assuming risk for yourself and hold no one else liable then it's hard to believe that you truly live by that mantra.

This has nothing to do with a off grid home. I am not responsible for anyone getting sick. If they get sick, its on them.

This is like saying "Why wont you understand that if other drivers are afraid of me drinking a bottle of vodka before I drive then THEY can wear the seat belts or stay off the roads to distance themselves from ME."

No, its not exactly like that at all. And this distracts from the issue. The drunk driver knows he's drunk. In the case of a asymptomatic person, they dont know, plus the others can take precautions. So its more like a person on the road who is not drunk, but goes over the speed limit, like most everyone else does, and that fearfull person can take precautions and avoid them or just stay off the road and live in there little bubble. But again, using illustrations isn't addressing the issues of this subject.

No, society doesn't work that way. When we live together we all compromise some of our freedoms because of others' rights to safety and well-being. You have other options if you want to be truly independent and free. If you want, however, to live with other people then you have to make concessions just as they have to make concessions to you.

Sorry but I dont live with these OTHER people. I'm on the same planet as they are, but I dont live with them and I'm not responsible for them.

Here's a clue: The closer you are to a big city center, the more you have to concede your freedoms in order to make living there work. In the middle of NYC, you can't walk around doing the things you can do out in the mountains of Montana. The further you get from big city centers, the more of your freedoms you get back. I can't park my car in Manhattan without paying a lot (whether street or parking garage), but in the suburbs I can easily park for little or no money as long as I obey strict rules. Out in the wilderness I can park wherever I want for the most part for as long as I want.

That's how everything works in this life. I think that Libertarians who truly want a libertarian lifestyle can absolutly have it but many of them kind of want to have their cake and eat it too in that they want all the benefits of living with other people but none of the responsibilities that come with those benefits.

The benefits are from a free market of peoples services and products. And some of those people are diverse in there views, even on this. What it sounds like your saying is with the government comes benefits and therefore I'm responsible to there tyranny to keep getting these benefits. Well again, sorry, but NO IM NOT responsible to bow to there tyranny. And our benefits dont come from them, in fact THEY usually destroy those benefits even to themselves because tyranny is stupid.

You're responsible for what you fear and it's up to you to take action rather than impose your ideas on us. That's why Libertarianism is not popular and will never gain traction with a society of people.

Actually I'm not the one imposing my ideas on you, its all you imposing yours on me. I'm not telling you to NOT wear a mask or not socially distance am I? No im not. I would recommend you not but I'm not imposing my idea on you if you fear this virus and if you believe the precautions work then go right ahead, fill your boots. But its YOU thats doing the impossing. Tyranny can come from government and sometimes it comes also from the mob majority. Either way the imposors are the tyrants. Thats a FACT. The world needs to live and let live.

 

[jollybear]

Were it something you got sick with and could not spread to anyone else and you could bear the absolute cost of being treated, then I would be cool with it.

If i FEEL sick, I stay home and recover.

If i am sick but don't know it, yea, then it can spread. If others want to live in a bubble THEY can do that, not me.