Why are Christians so incredibly deceived about scripture?

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Please this man implied that it was Martin Luther who said we are justified by faith and that it isn't written in the scriptures

Where did you get this idea from ? To judge "this man" when he said no such thing as you claim ?
As noted:

The church never had justification by faith until Martin Luther and the reformation.

At first I thought to reply that the ecclesia did have justification by faith before the church lost it,
but it is clear on reading the op that the church he is referring to is not the ecclesia in Scripture,
and he is right-
justification by faith was not continued in the church , and YHWH restored justification by faith thru the emissary/messenger he called and chose which the op names.
This in no way implies that it is not FIRST IN SCRIPTURE,
but rather emphasized the TITLE and the PURPOSE of the OP.

 

[miknik5]

As the OP says, in line with the title and topic at hand:
QUOTE="Razare, post: 70016802, member: 364513"]Paul says:
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse! - Galatians 1:8
But this is clearly happening... even happening among groups that are very similar.QUOTE

Please consider teaching yourself before offering to teach others?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Read the OP and UNDERSTAND WHAT THE POSTER WAS SAYING

I didn't have a problem understanding

It appears you do

YOu claimed something not true. You judged the OP contrary to what you try to claim recently. Then you claim odd things about other posters.....

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Then you have grown up in into the HEAD fit for every good work!

(Which GOD prepared in advance that you should walk in)

A true believer will be fruitful for their LORD and they not abide in sins like hate, murder, theft, adultery, etc. because Jesus lives inside of them doing the good work within them. Does that mean that believers will not stumble on occasion? No. But they confess their sins to Jesus and get back up and live holy and in service to Jesus and not themselves or their sin.


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[miknik5]

Where did you get this idea from ? To judge "this man" when he said no such thing as you claim ?
As noted:

At first I thought to reply that the ecclesia did have justification by faith before the church lost it,
but it is clear on reading the op that the church he is referring to is not the ecclesia in Scripture,
and he is right-
justification by faith was not continued in the church , and YHWH restored justification by faith thru the emissary/messenger he called and chose which the op names.
This in no way implies that it is not FIRST IN SCRIPTURE,
but rather emphasized the TITLE and the PURPOSE of the OP.

Which church sir?
Are you the one who has the right to select the church or to decide who belongs or does not belong?

 

[miknik5]

A true believer will be fruitful for their LORD and they not abide in sins like hate, murder, theft, adultery, etc. because Jesus lives inside of them doing the good work within them. Does that mean that believers will not stumble on occasion? No. But they confess their sins to Jesus and get back up and live holy and in service to Jesus and not themselves or their sin.


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Okay thanks. When do you want to list your fruitful deeds?

Or are you saying that those who claim to belong to HIM are guilty of doing the works of the kingdom of darkness?


When you see your brother sin
Are you simply announcing these sins beforehand in the possibility they will apply to someone here or probably apply to someone here?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Which church sir?
Are you the one who has the right to select the church or to decide who belongs or does not belong?

Are you trying to defend something ?
Are you trying to justify something not justified in Scripture?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Which church sir?
Are you the one who has the right to select the church or to decide who belongs or does not belong?

What does the OP and the title of the thread pertain to ?
What church is there that lost the message of the Gospel of Jesus for a long time - that did not preach nor teach the message of justification by faith ?

 

[miknik5]

Let me tell you something sir. If these sins did apply to anyone you have already shut down any communication because no one would even want to confess their sins to you.

Are you trying to defend something ?
Are you trying to justify something not justified in Scripture?

Yeah the TRUTH that it's HIS BODY and HE calls whom HE calls with no help from any of us

And HIS BODY is not limited or restricted to any man's input or decision

The "wind" will go where the "wind" will go

Is it scriptural?

Yeah it is!

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

..moved..

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Yeah the TRUTH that it's HIS BODY and HE calls whom HE calls with no help from any of us

What does this have to do with the OP, the TITLE, or the topic of this thread now ?

 

[miknik5]

What does the OP and the title of the thread pertain to ?
What church is there that lost the message of the Gospel of Jesus for a long time - that did not preach nor teach the message of justification by faith ?

I don't know sir. Did you think behind the closed doors of just one denomination there are those who do not know who and what they worship?

It's behind the closed doors of every denomination a mixture of those who worship in spirit and in truth as well as those who simply take up pew space

And not just the Catholic Church only

 

[miknik5]

What does this have to do with the OP, the TITLE, or the topic of this thread now ?

The TRUTH that those who are lborn of HIS SPIRIT know THE TRUTH and speak truth and don't have to listen to men who do not know what they are saying

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I don't know sir. Did you think behind the closed doors of just one denomination there are those who do not know who and what they worship?

What difference does it make for this thread topic,
for the OP,
or for the TITLE ,
if one or if more than one denomination do not know who and what they worship ?

Do you want to investigate 1200 different groups ?
I don't think that's pertinent, or possible.

 

[miknik5]

What does this have to do with the OP, the TITLE, or the topic of this thread now ?

It will always be the difference between THE TRUTH and lies sir

That's what this has to do with this thread and EVERY and ALL threads

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The TRUTH that those who are lborn of HIS SPIRIT know THE TRUTH and speak truth and don't have to listen to men who do not know what they are saying

Are you now accusing Martin Luther of not knowing what he was saying?
Or are you seeking a way to defend what is not defensible ?

 

[miknik5]

What difference does it make for this thread topic,
for the OP,
or for the TITLE ,
if one or if more than one denomination do not know who and what they worship ?

Do you want to investigate 1200 different groups ?
I don't think that's pertinent, or possible.

No sir I just want to concentrate on myself and my relationship with HIM

Just as you all are supposed to do

The minute you go "investigating" you can't preach THE GOSPEL because you already have a hidden agenda

You no longer can claim yourself to be innocent as a dove

And you're not allowed to add anything to THE FOUNDATION but love

If you already have hate hidden in your heart for a group nope you can't preach the GOSPEL

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

It will always be the difference between THE TRUTH and lies sir

That's what this has to do with this thread and EVERY and ALL threads

Yes, but if we do not stay somewhat on topic, we won't be able to learn anything - it will be too spread out to do anything or to abide by the site rules.
If you want to defend, agree with, question, or oppose the OP, that is what to do here.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

No sir I just want to concentrate on myself and my relationship with HIM

Yet it seems you are doing what hurts your own purpose here.
Nothing you have said is invalidating the OP, the TITLE , or the topic of this thread,
nor what Scripture says.

 

[miknik5]

You want to do what is right before HIS EYES?

Pray
Pray for all men that GOD may give them THE SPIRIT of wisdom and knowledge to better understand THIS GREAT SALVATION which is ours in...by...and through CHRIST JESUS ALONE!