Why are Christians so incredibly deceived about scripture?

[miknik5]

In fact the structure of the NEW JERUSALEM includes 24 elders and these are fundamental truths which make up the ONE HOUSE

But CHRIST alone is THE CAPSTONE and without HIM as THE CAPSTONE there is no HOUSE

 

[miknik5]

And thankfully there is only ONE DOOR by which we must all enter
Therefore either in or outside

Our work as HIS WITNESSES was to point all to THE DOOR

And THAT DOOR is CHRIST

 

[Bible Highlighter]

that does not mean they do not have an understanding of it .. but it does mean they do not desire to obey it and so do not want to hear it .
and in their hearing of the word instead of their DOING of the word they deceive themselves and that deception just grows and grows the more they only want to hear it but never DO it .

This may be the case for some; But for others, I believe they were deceived into buying a lie from out of the starting gate because they do not see obedience to God's commands as being necessary part of abiding in Christ and His salvation. For them, it is all they have ever known since they came to the faith and do not believe any other way is true. It was a part of the package deal in their becoming Christian. Their belief on the Scriptures cannot be wrong because that is how they came to the faith. So they read God's Word with no true understanding when it comes to Soteriology.


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[Bible Highlighter]

Here's where your theology falls apart.

You quoted those two verses. The first said if you don't love the Lord Jesus Christ then you are Anathema Maranatha.

The next verse say...if you love me, keep my commandments.

......Have you kept EVERY commandment of the Lord Jesus Christ? If not then by your own words YOU are "Anathema Maranatha".

Well, not all of God's Commands have dire consequences for a person's soul in the after-life if they were to disobey them (with no repentance). There are "sins unto death" and there are "sins that are not unto death" (1 John 5:16-18). "Sins unto death" are sins that John mentions in Revelation 21:8. They are murder, sexual immorality, lying, and idolatry, etc. They are called "sins that lead unto death" because they lead to the "Second Death" (i.e. the Lake of Fire). "Sins not unto death" would be hidden or secret faults (Psalms 19:12), not being baptized in this life (1 Peter 3:21), and or boasting in each other (whereby divisions can be caused) (1 Corinthians 3:1-15).

Therefore, when Jesus is talking about if you love me, keep my commandments, He is saying that you will naturally keep those commands that deal with the salvation of your soul because it would mean you truly want to be with Him for all eternity by keeping His good ways that speaks of His good character. For God is good; And God is love. If we are of God's Kingdom, we would want to be loving and good like Him (conformed to His likeness).

But saying words like, "all my future sin is forgiven" or "we are not saved by anything we do" just encourages people to treat sin as if it was no big deal. However, Scripture tells us it is a big deal because committing sin or certain sins are tied to having dire consequences to our soul in the after-life (See Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15, Matthew 7:23, Matthew 12:36-37, Matthew 13:41-42, John 12:48, 1 John 3:15, Revelation 21:8).

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[W2L]

You follow your own 'interpretation'. Very dangerous my friend!

I follow the scripture. Its plain as day

 

[Goatee]

I follow the scripture. Its plain as day

Plain as if wearing a blindfold while reading it!! lo buddy

 

[W2L]

Plain as if wearing a blindfold while reading it!! lo buddy

I see well enough to know Catholicism has issues i must avoid. I sure dont need their teachers, thats for sure. I might end up praying to mary, the sinless queen of heaven, or buying sin indulgences, or going to purgatory, or bowing to his holiness the pope as i kiss his ring, or taking a pilgrimage to the holy land Rome.

 

[Goatee]

I see well enough to know Catholicism has issues i must avoid. I sure dont need their teachers, thats for sure. I might end up praying to mary, the sinless queen of heaven, or buying sin indulgences, or going to purgatory, or bowing to his holiness the pope as i kiss his ring, or taking a pilgrimage to the holy land Rome.

Some things, if you really knew Catholicism, are not a 'must'. One doesn't 'have' to kiss his ring etc or take a pilgrimage etc!

Sin indulgences dont exist these days buddy. That was a human mistake in history. We are all human! Blessings buddy

 

[W2L]

Some things, if you really knew Catholicism, are not a 'must'. One doesn't 'have' to kiss his ring etc or take a pilgrimage etc!

Sin indulgences dont exist these days buddy. That was a human mistake in history. We are all human! Blessings buddy

I never said all those things were commanded. People learn them by example. Peter would be appalled if anyone got on their knees to kiss his ring. It demonstrates an utter lack of discernment by the pope and his followers

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Indeed. But, can the few that find it, give it to those that did not? I recall Romans 10:20

Romans 10:20 is talking about how salvation went out to the Gentiles when Israel rejected their Messiah. Hence, the saying, " "I WAS FOUND BY THOSE WHO DID NOT SEEK ME,"

Those who have found the narrow way can be either Jew or Gentile, bond, or free, male, or female, etc.

God is not talking about "Forced Regeneration" here if that is what you are implying. The Gentile people were a type of people who were referred to as not seeking after GOD. The Gentiles were considered pagan. It does not mean they were unable to come to God on their own free will.

Anyways, the narrow way dispells the notion that all churches have generally got it right or have correct knowledge. Jesus had problems with many of the churches in Revelation chapters 2-3. Those that did not have it right were told to repent with dire consequences for them if they didn't repent.

What do you think it means to "see the Lord"? To me, this means that without peace and holiness it's not possible to see the Lord everywhere around us, working through all things according to love. I'm reminded of 1 John 4:12 and 3 John 1:11

While it is true that God can be seen in how He works invisibly within our lives like in 3 John 1:11, we also have to realize that Moses literally seen God. For Moses looked upon God's backside. Yet, Moses could not see God's face and live (Exodus 33:18-23). But this is our hope. For the hope of every Christian is to see the face of God in the end on the Eternal New Earth as mentioned in Revelation 22:4. This is what Hebrews 12:14 is talking about. Without holiness, no man shall see the LORD. Why? Because Hebrews 12:5-13 is talking about the chastening of the LORD which is a part of the Sanctification process over the course of our lives (Becoming more and more holy in His sight while we live). Hebrews 12:15 says to look after each other so that we do not fail to receive the grace of God. This is written to believers and not unbelievers.

In Revelation 21:27 says this about the New Jerusalem:

"And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life."


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[Bible Highlighter]

Okay thanks. When do you want to list your fruitful deeds?

Do you have a problem with Christians living righteously?
Anyways, It's not about me. It's about Christ. It is His fruitful deeds. Not mine.
My boast will be in Him for any good done in my life.
My listing of the good Christ has done in my life here is not a good idea because many are not accepting that a believer is supposed to live holy as a part of being right with God.
They will take it as a form of boasting, when it is not.
Besides, the Bible and it's teachings will remain true, regardless of my life.
For the Word of God is our standard and not by our looking around us.
We trust in God's Word by faith and not by sight.

Or are you saying that those who claim to belong to HIM are guilty of doing the works of the kingdom of darkness?

When you see your brother sin
Are you simply announcing these sins beforehand in the possibility they will apply to someone here or probably apply to someone here?

Just because somebody claims to be Christian does not mean that they really are one. Any person whether they be a believer or an unbeliever and defends the idea that they can sin and still be in God's good graces with no repentance is only fooling themselves. God is good. He cannot side with a person's wrong thinking that they can do evil and yet be rewarded with their entering God's Kingdom. It doesn't work like that. For we are to have the mind of Christ.


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[Bible Highlighter]

Yes. Every christian that has walked the earth and is alive today has unrepentent sin. That would include you.

So are you saying that a believer can abide in unrepentant sin (like lying, or lusting after a woman) and still be saved?

Yes or no?

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[Goatee]

So are you saying that a believer can abide in unrepentant sin (like lying, or lusting after a woman) and still be saved?

Yes or no?

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I would say no. One needs to know ones sin, repent and beg forgiveness

 

[miknik5]

Do you have a problem with Christians living righteously?
Anyways, It's not about me. It's about Christ. It is His fruitful deeds. Not mine.
My boast will be in Him for any good done in my life.
My listing of the good Christ has done in my life here is not a good idea because many are not accepting that a believer is supposed to live holy as a part of being right with God.
They will take it as a form of boasting, when it is not.
Besides, the Bible and it's teachings will remain true, regardless of my life.
For the Word of God is our standard and not by our looking around us.
We trust in God's Word by faith and not by sight.



Just because somebody claims to be Christian does not mean that they really are one. Any person whether they be a believer or an unbeliever and defends the idea that they can sin and still be in God's good graces with no repentance is only fooling themselves. God is good. He cannot side with a person's wrong thinking that they can do evil and yet be rewarded with their entering God's Kingdom. It doesn't work like that. For we are to have the mind of Christ.


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Exactly. Please keep that in mind and leave all perfect judgement to the ONE who will lay bare the hidden agenda and motives of the heart to see what is wrought in GOD

Then the man will receive his praise from the one to whom he looks to serve

But you have said something right thankfully

It is HIS WORK
And we trust that HE who began this good work will bring it yinto completion

Therefore work out your own salvation with fear and trembling

Because?

It is HE who works in us to will and to do HIS GOOD PLEASURE

So yes, you are right you will not be able to boast of yourself before HIM

 

[ToBeLoved]

Just because somebody claims to be Christian does not mean that they really are one. Any person whether they be a believer or an unbeliever and defends the idea that they can sin and still be in God's good graces with no repentance is only fooling themselves. God is good. He cannot side with a person's wrong thinking that they can do evil and yet be rewarded with their entering God's Kingdom. It doesn't work like that. For we are to have the mind of Christ.
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The Law people and those who believe that works are part of 'proving salvation' will always doubt everyone else's salvation but their own.

Just as God's Word states, grace by faith in Jesus Christ and NOT by works, lest ANY man boast. This to me seems part of the BOASTING that each one who feels earned their own way to heaven seems to feel perfectly righteous in judging the Lord's Children, because of what one feels they have done right.

Anyone that 'really' believed God is sovereign knows that they have no right to judge, nor can they even judge righteously and those saints will always leave judgement to Jesus. But the wonderful Law people, by their own works feel that they have offered God something so much better than the next person, the one they say is probably not saved in the first place, I presume.

I like it when I see someone's words matching what they do. Can't just talk the talk you know.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Exactly. Please keep that in mind and leave all perfect judgement to the ONE who will lay bare the hidden agenda and motives of the heart to see what is wrought in GOD

Christians can judge other believers.

While Paul told the Corinthians that they were to judge sinful believers and leave people outside the church to God (1 Corinthians 5:12-13). James said that our judgments of others must be done with mercy (James 2:12-13).


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[ToBeLoved]

So are you saying that a believer can abide in unrepentant sin (like lying, or lusting after a woman) and still be saved?

Yes or no?

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When did whether someone is saved become your decision?

God tells us "YOUR WAYS ARE NOT MY WAYS, MY WAYS ARE HIGHER THAN YOUR WAYS".

This is getting sickening.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Christians can judge other believers.

While Paul told the Corinthians that they were to judge sinful believers and leave people outside the church to God (1 Corinthians 5:12-13). James said that our judgments of others must be done with mercy (James 2:12-13).


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Those people were so obviously in sin there was NO DOUBT about it. Men having relations, intimate relations with their daughter in laws.

So how much of that is going on in todays church?

That's what I thought. Nice how you use such a case that was SO WICKED to make your case that you should judge others. Subtlty is not lost in Christianity. They may have God's Word written on their hearts so they can pull out a meter to judge someone.

 

[ToBeLoved]

I hope everyone familiarizes themselves with the common phrases that some use to manipulate you .

If you fall for it, you walked into it.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The Law people and those who believe that works are part of 'proving salvation' will always doubt everyone else's salvation but their own.

So you have made yourself out to be God whereby you know everyone's life and thoughts?
You don't think there are moments in my life where I wanted to be sure that my heart was still right with GOD?

Just as God's Word states, grace by faith in Jesus Christ and NOT by works, lest ANY man boast. This to me seems part of the BOASTING that each one who feels earned their own way to heaven seems to feel perfectly righteous in judging the Lord's Children, because of what one feels they have done right.

Where do you see me boasting of myself?
Where did you see me say it was MY work alone that saves me?
On the contrary, I believe Jesus does the good work in me.
So there is a difference.
For how can I take credit for any good God does in my life?
You do not understand where I am coming from so you must believe I adhere to Works Alone Salvationism (Which is not what I believe). We are saved by His mercy and by the washing (i.e. the Sanctification process) of regeneration of the Holy Ghost within our lives.

Anyone that 'really' believed God is sovereign knows that they have no right to judge, nor can they even judge righteously and those saints will always leave judgement to Jesus. But the wonderful Law people, by their own works feel that they have offered God something so much better than the next person, the one they say is probably not saved in the first place, I presume.

I like it when I see someone's words matching what they do. Can't just talk the talk you know.

Yet, are you not judging me? Are you excluded from your own beliefs?

On the contrary, the Bible teaches that we can judge fellow believers. I just mentioned a few verses in my recent post.


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