Why are Christians so incredibly deceived about scripture?

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The minute you go "investigating" you can't preach THE GOSPEL because you already have a hidden agenda

Good. It is better if you do not go investigating 1200 groups.
I agree with that entirely.
Instead, stick to the OP, the TITLE, and the topic of THIS THREAD.

 

[miknik5]

Yes, but if we do not stay somewhat on topic, we won't be able to learn anything - it will be too spread out to do anything or to abide by the site rules.
If you want to defend, agree with, question, or oppose the OP, that is what to do here.

I did. If you want to do the same read before you post asking questions that had you read you would have understood

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

You want to do what is right before HIS EYES?

Pray
Pray for all men that GOD may give them THE SPIRIT of wisdom and knowledge to better understand THIS GREAT SALVATION which is ours in...by...and through CHRIST JESUS ALONE!

That is the whole purpose of the OP, the TITLE of this thread, and the topic of this thread.
You brought up several things not in line with all this.

 

[miknik5]

Good. It is better if you do not go investigating 1200 groups.
I agree with that entirely.
Instead, stick to the OP, the TITLE, and the topic of THIS THREAD.

you sir talk out of two sides of your mouth. You suggest to others to do this and then tell them after they answer you no they won't (as if you have better understanding) good don't do it!

Who are you in service to?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I did. If you want to do the same read before you post asking questions that had you read you would have understood

The questions were because you are going off of the topic of the thread, the OP, and the TITLE of the thread.
So far you haven't made a point in line with Scripture referring to this.

 

[miknik5]

That is the whole purpose of the OP, the TITLE of this thread, and the topic of this thread.
You brought up several things not in line with all this.

It's simply a declaration of oneself

What they are doing that is right
And what others are doing that is wrong

That's all this thread has become

Self justification and a profession of self

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Why can't Christians understand the gospel? I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong, but shouldn't someone understand it?

The confusion is overwhelming world wide.
Did you find an answer to your question ?

 

[miknik5]

The questions were because you are going off of the topic of the thread, the OP, and the TITLE of the thread.
So far you haven't made a point in line with Scripture referring to this.

GOD has turned the whole world over to disobedience so that it will be based on HIS MERCY and CALL ALONE

To be just when HE judges and the justifier of all whose faith is in HIS SON is sufficient

Is there something you wanted to remind GOD to add to the list when HE judges that HE shouldn't overlook?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

That's all this thread has become

Self justification and a profession of self

I wasn't reading what this thread became;
if it went off topic and that's what you were referring to
that's why your replies to my posts didn't make any sense -
let's move the thread back on topic of the OP/ TITLE question.

 

[miknik5]

No one will be able to exalt themselves.

The CAPSTONE will be taken out to shouts of GRACE GRACE (must unfathomable excellent) GRACE into it

And no man in his right mind will be smugly exalting himself above THE GIFT OF GOD

 

[miknik5]

Here is a reminder of the righteousness which is of faith

ROMANS 10

 

[Goatee]

I'm not the one following blind guides antletems.

You follow your own 'interpretation'. Very dangerous my friend!

 

[Goatee]

Martin Luther did say we are justified by faith.
Do you disagree with YHWH'S WORD then, or with those who preach(ed) YHWH'S WORD ?
Instead of yourself judging the op,
why not agree with YHWH'S WORD ? (and thus with Martin Luther and others after him, and the apostles and disciples before him).

How did people know Gods word when they could not read?

THEY WERE PREACHED TO, BY MAN!!!!! CHOSEN BY GOD!!!!!!

 

[Goatee]

Many are deceived while reading scripture as they take it on themselves, thinking they are being led by God in its interpretation. They feel holier than thou and seem to think only 'they' know the truth. They slag off all other denomination / people who belong to 'organised' 'religion'.

We all are brothers and sisters in Christ.

We all 'belong' to the same 'church'

We all read from the same scriptures.

Don't be fooled into thinking that 'man' has no part in scripture as Jesus chose 'man' to do HIS work on earth, guided by the Holy Spirit.

Jesus needs 'MAN' to spread the Gospel otherwise, why choose Apostles etc?

'WE' are a massive part of God. It is through 'US' that God works. Don't be blind thinking that 'MAN' has no place in the spreading of God's word.

Like i have said before, i truly believe that in the CC we have the Holy Spirit, very much alive, guiding the church. Guiding the priests etc via Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. 2,000 years traced back to the Apostles! Mere 'MEN' chosen by God to do his will. This has carried on through history to today.

Its where 'MAN' decides to 'go alone' and try and interpret scripture for himself, thinking that God is guiding him that problems occur! Man cannot be trusted on his own. This is why Jesus made 'HIS' Church! He started 'The' church 2,000 years ago.

A church, built on solid foundations! Even though some of its walls have crumbled over the years, or the roof has collapsed, still, the building remains! It was not built on sand!

Sacred Scripture needs 'Holy' people to interpret it, through the Holy Spirit.

There are millions of people in the world, detached from 'THE' Church who 'think' they are the only ones who can understand scripture. Woe to them if they teach against what God wants!!!

 

[miknik5]

Many are deceived while reading scripture as they take it on themselves, thinking they are being led by God in its interpretation. They feel holier than thou and seem to think only 'they' know the truth. They slag off all other denomination / people who belong to 'organised' 'religion'.

We all are brothers and sisters in Christ.

We all 'belong' to the same 'church'

We all read from the same scriptures.

Don't be fooled into thinking that 'man' has no part in scripture as Jesus chose 'man' to do HIS work on earth, guided by the Holy Spirit.

Jesus needs 'MAN' to spread the Gospel otherwise, why choose Apostles etc?

'WE' are a massive part of God. It is through 'US' that God works. Don't be blind thinking that 'MAN' has no place in the spreading of God's word.

Like i have said before, i truly believe that in the CC we have the Holy Spirit, very much alive, guiding the church. Guiding the priests etc via Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. 2,000 years traced back to the Apostles! Mere 'MEN' chosen by God to do his will. This has carried on through history to today.

Its where 'MAN' decides to 'go alone' and try and interpret scripture for himself, thinking that God is guiding him that problems occur! Man cannot be trusted on his own. This is why Jesus made 'HIS' Church! He started 'The' church 2,000 years ago.

A church, built on solid foundations! Even though some of its walls have crumbled over the years, or the roof has collapsed, still, the building remains! It was not built on sand!

Sacred Scripture needs 'Holy' people to interpret it, through the Holy Spirit.

There are millions of people in the world, dertached from 'THE' Church who 'think' they are the only ones who can understand scripture. Woe to them if they teach against what God wants!!!

Antletems. There is only ONE FOUNDATION

A man is either standing on that FOUNDATION or not

THAT is first and foremost of importance

The.CHURCH is HIS BODY, HIS BRIDE and is not limited to one denominational outward structural church but us identified to all those who stand on THE FOUNDATION

And that FOUNDATION is CHRIST

 

[miknik5]

Antletems

Do you believe that the same outpouring of the HOLY SPIRIT upon those who believe by faith in JESUS CHRIST continues to happen today?

 

[miknik5]

The confusion is overwhelming world wide.
Did you find an answer to your question ?

What confusion? Is THE GOSPEL confusing?

 

[Goatee]

Antletems

Do you believe that the same outpouring of the HOLY SPIRIT upon those who believe by faith in JESUS CHRIST continues to happen today?

Yes

 

[Goatee]

Antletems

Do you believe that the same outpouring of the HOLY SPIRIT upon those who believe by faith in JESUS CHRIST continues to happen today?

Yes, we are the church. I agree. But we also need structure. Jesus gave us that with the birth of a new covenant and 'church'. Led by the Apostles and continued to today

 

[miknik5]

Yes, we are the church. I agree. But we also need structure. Jesus gave us that with the birth of a new covenant and 'church'. Led by the Apostles and continued to today

The teachings of the apostles are foundational yes as long as one stands first and foremost by faith in the GOSPEL