No. It's double talk because you said before that you do not have to do anything to be saved. This is basically telling a person that they can live however they like (Which does not promote a person to live righteously or to be fruitful for their LORD).
For the popular version of Eternal Security (or a "sin and still be saved" type belief) has led people into a life style of sin. It is not a matter of debate, but it is a fact. I have provided testimonies to show that very fact. So it does not matter if people who believe in OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved) here are living in a lifestyle of sin or not. The fact of the matter we know that the general message of OSAS in many cases tends to lead people into being enslaved to their sin and not being set free from it. How so? Just check out these testimonies below.
Ex OSAS Audio Testimonies:
Testimonies of former eternal security believers
Suicide & OSAS:
A tragic story of an OSAS believer.
A Pastor's Testimony on OSAS:
A testimony about OSAS by a Pastor's wife.
Hooked on Sin & OSAS:
Out Of Darkness | NO Eternal Security | Christian Testimony
Mass Murder, Suicide, & OSAS:
George Sodini
Oh, and just so that you know, I believe in the Biblical View of "Conditional Salvation" that teaches that a true believer who is saved will naturally bring forth a life full of holiness and fruitful works. Now, do not misunderstand me, works are not done to be saved, but they are merely the evidence that you have been saved when one repents and accepts Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior. Meaning, works are the proof the Lord lives within you. Anyways, if a believer sins, they need to immediately confess that sin and forsake it and continue to walk uprightly with their Lord. If a believer continues to abide in unrepentant sin that leads unto death (lying cheating murder etc.) then they are not saved.
Here again we see a contradiction in your belief system. On the one hand you are saying you are not saved by anything you do and yet on the other hand you are saying that you do not believe in Belief Alone-ism. So which is it? How would you categorize your belief in regards to how we are saved?
(a) Belief Alone-ism
(b) Works Alone Salvation-ism
(c) His Mercy, His Redemptive Work, Abiding in Christ (Relationship-ism by faith), and Transformationi-ism (i.e. to be born again).
(d) Forced Regeneration Before Faith.
(e) Forced Regeneration Before Faith Followed by Belief Alone-ism.
(f) Other.
Is there some reason God predetermines some to be good and some to be bad? Or does God just choose people randomly? Or does God look into the future and know who will be good and who will be bad?
In any event, whenever a person is confused (or has a wrong interpretation) on a verse or chapter in the Bible, all they need to do is put Jesus in it and it becomes clear.
In other words, when you read
Romans 9:1-13, you have to read it in terms of how Paul is talking to the Jews (
Romans 9:3-6) and not all individuals and how he is trying to tell them that the purpose of Election of the Promises is thru the line of the Messiah with Jacob's line and not Esau's line.
Romans 9:13 is not saying God literally loved Jacob and literally hated Esau as individuals (cf.
Luke 14:26). Paul is using them as examples of how God was all powerful enough to know which family line to use so as to bring the Promised Messiah (i.e. Jesus). That is what "Election" here is talking about in
Romans 9. It is not talking about individual "Election" but it is talking about the "Election of the Promise" or the genealogical line that Jesus would come thru. The Jews were claiming that they were saved based on being of the seed of Abraham and in keeping God's Laws. But they rejected their Messiah. God does not have to conform to old Jewish ways of thinking just because they rejected their Messiah. He will have mercy on whom He will's in the manner He will's with the Messiah that He has chosen (Which was Jesus Christ).
Now, when you read
Romans 9:14-16: Well, you have to realize that it is talking about God's plan of salvation with Jesus Christ being their Messiah of whom the Jews rejected. God is saying He will have mercy in the WAY God wants to do things and not according to Jewish thoughts or beliefs (Which one of their ways they considered a person to be right with God was thru circumcision - See
Romans 3:1).
And when you read
Romans 9:17-18: Well, you have to realize it is making a parallel. For there is a parallel being made of how God is Sovereign and just in setting up the Promised Line of the Messiah (i.e. by having mercy on whom He wills) versus raising up Pharaoh into power to show God's power. How was God's power shown in the life of the Pharoah? By God making the Pharoah wealthy? Not exactly. God allowed Pharoah to be raised up so that God's power was shown in the life of God's miracles being displayed such as the Ten plagues and the parting of the Red Sea. This is why Paraoah was raised up. It was so that God's power (or miracles) could be displayed (and proclaimed to all the Earth). Just as God had chosen the line of the Messiah so as to display His power (and proclaim such a thing to all the Earth). So this was not some kind of point to prove individual election but to prove the Election of the Promised Line of the Messiah (Who is Jesus Christ). For Jesus is the greatest miracle (of the best form of Election) that there is.
Anyways, when you read on down to verse 24 (
Romans 9:24), the point is clear what Paul is really talking about.
Not really. Ever read 1 John 2:1, and 1 John 1:9, 1 John 1:7?
Ever read Romans 8:1 and Romans 8:4?
Also, Christians are not characterized as living a lifestyle that is described in those verses I listed above. They may stumble on occasion, but they do not live in a fallen state of sin.
Let me give you a real world example again to illustrate.
The True Believer is like the alcoholic who stumbles on his road to recovery in being sober.
The Eternal Security Proponent is like an alcoholic who enters a drug program to be sober but they have no intention of giving up their drink. This is implied when they say things like, "You are not saved by anything you do." (i.e. by the kind of life that you live) (Which is a license for immorality).
In fact, your whole point is about how I cannot keep the following Commands above and it is not about how I can keep them.
And here in lies the problem. The false... "my present and future sins are already forgiven me." .... type belief. This basically gives a person a green light that they do not need to worry about their sin anymore or take God's Commands as seriously.
But if you were to actually re-read Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15, Matthew 12:36-37, 1 John 3:15, Revelation 21:8 you would discover that they list consequences in the after-life for committing these various sins. Jesus and His followers make no mention of how the believer can do these sins and yet be free of the after-life consequences.
In other words, if people knew tomorrow that there was no more speed limit law on the high ways in certain states here in America, what do you think is going to happen? More people are going to drive faster at unsafe speeds and die in traffic accidents. In other words, it is human nature to do the wrong thing. So when a believer proposes to others that they cannot lose their salvation no matter what they do, they are proposing to them to live in an immoral life style (Antinomianism).
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