Why are Christians so incredibly deceived about scripture?

[ToBeLoved]

i never said anything other wise but as i replied elsewhere ,, sin a person goes back and does again, when they know it is sin.. is NOT being repented of .
it is being comited again and again.. john writes those who are born of god wil not continue to sin .
sure they have the ability to but ones they are aware of it and repent from it they do not continue to do so . john goes on to say ..this is how we know who is of gpod and who is of the devil.. those of god wont continue to sin they stop cease desist turn from repeant and replace the activity with activities of righteousness .

repentance is not a one off act and then your forgiven and then its ok to do it again and again.
would you accept that if your spouse came home said they slept with another in the weekend .. and repented and then you forgave them and then they did it again next week .. and next week and next week .. would you consider that a state of maintained repentance ? neither does God .

The problem is that's not what God says. Jesus tells us to repent for each sin.

One should only speak about what they do in their life. God's Word says that you do not know anyone's heart and so judge Unrighteously.

 

[Goatee]

Almost everyone else says the Catholic Church went down the wrong road very early in the 2nd and 3rd century solidifying the wrong-road ideas into a formal and dominant one by the 6th century A.D.

Pointing out errors in the Catholic church began with Catholics pointing out those errors.

What about your denomination then?

 

[BobRyan]

aw...... too bad.....
There's a lot of little children without a BIBLE,
and gentiles without TORAH,
who ... well, trust and rely on YHWH by grace in Y'SHUA
i.e.
live by FAITH (active, abiding , living, true faith in the CREATOR by grace poured out thru the SAVIOR MESSIAH KING)....

(I think ROMANS illustrates this)

People with no Bible aren't part of the OP. They have no Bible to "have an opinion about" and the OP is about those with a Bible having various/differing/conflicting views.

Romans 2:13-16 explains how it is that some of those without a Bible at all are saved - and some are lost. But that is an entirely different topic.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

What you need to do is ask Jesus why we are only saved by faith.

Sounds like you think what brings people into the New Covenant promotes sin.

You should take that to Christ and ask Him why His Covenant promotes sin.

Let me know what you find out.

However, your world view on the Scriptures is not correct, though. So while you may seek to slander me in regards to what I believe the Scriptures actually teach, I am going to stand by God's Word and preach it all the more in love and in truth to shine a light to a dark, lost, and dying world.


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[Goatee]

However, your world view on the Scriptures is not correct, though. So while you may seek to slander me in regards to what I believe the Scriptures actually teach, I am going to stand by God's Word and preach it all the more in love and in truth to shine a light to a lost and dying world.


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Good for you buddy. Just pray that what you teach is correct. Nothing worse than a teacher who teaches wrongly!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Good for you buddy. Just pray that what you teach is correct. Nothing worse than a teacher who teaches wrongly!

So if I am condemned, what do you think God is going to condemn me for? For defending God's goodness? For glorifying Christ and the good work He does in the believer? For telling others to obey God's Word? Is God going to condemn me for that? If so, what verses teach it is wrong to believe this way?

Note:

Please take note that the Bible does teach that sin can cause bad after-life consequences for a person's soul (See Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15, Matthew 7:23, Matthew 12:36-37, Matthew 13:41-42, Matthew 25:30, John 12:48, 1 John 3:15, Revelation 21:8).


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[yeshuaslavejeff]

Almost everyone else says the Catholic Church went down the wrong road very early in the 2nd and 3rd century solidifying the wrong-road ideas into a formal and dominant one by the 6th century A.D.

Pointing out errors in the Catholic church began with Catholics pointing out those errors.

Yes, from every walk of life,
as YHWH grants salvation by grace thru faith in Y'SHUA
and not by grace thru faith in 'sacred' anything[tradition nor Apostles nor religion nor man nor mankind]....

i.e. OBEDIENT to Y'SHUA and NOT follow God via (( Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. Straight from the Apostles.))

since ((.... )) departs from YHWH too often as clearly stated in HIS WORD and by HIS SPIRIT in Y'SHUA.

i.e. again, even the "Apostles" as if straight from, is wrong when it is opposed to YHWH'S WORD;
as Y'SHUA and YHWH'S WORD AND
even the "Apostles" themselves warned !

i.e. again - that which is opposed to YHWH and HIS WORD
cannot be built upon. (and never should be accepted).

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

So if I am condemned, what do you think God is going to condemn me for? For defending God's goodness? For glorifying Christ and the good work He does in the believer? For telling others to obey God's Word? Is God going to condemn me for that? If so, what verses teach it is wrong to believe this way?


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IF you are condemned(in the context here in this thread) it will ONLY BE if you go down the same road as the previous religious teachers (in any and all religions)
who led multitudes AWAY FROM YHWH'S WORD,
opposed Y'SHUA,
and deceived many to the destruction of their souls.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

IF you are condemned(in the context here in this thread) it will ONLY BE if you go down the same road as the previous religious teachers (in any and all religions)
who led multitudes AWAY FROM YHWH'S WORD,
opposed Y'SHUA,
and deceived many to the destruction of their souls.

And what might that be exactly?
Do you believe I went down this road?
What verses do you have in mind?


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[BobRyan]

What about your denomination then?

Well we need the faithful groups like the Waldenses who held the apostolic line for a long time - before they fell into some error - but when churches go into error (As in the case of some teaching in the RCC) - there is always going to be reformers/protesting-the-error -- protesting Catholics... Waldenses, anabaptists and then a long line of reformers getting the ship back on course.

The Seventh-day Adventist church is just the last in that long line of reformers.

But the OP is less about the history of how things end up as they are - and more about the steps to go the right direction.

 

[BobRyan]

Good for you buddy. Just pray that what you teach is correct. Nothing worse than a teacher who teaches wrongly!

Which gets us back to the OP

 

[ToBeLoved]

However, your world view on the Scriptures is not correct, though. So while you may seek to slander me in regards to what I believe the Scriptures actually teach, I am going to stand by God's Word and preach it all the more in love and in truth to shine a light to a dark, lost, and dying world.
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Someone with sense, if they are self taught and self righteous, would see their own bias in saying that they interpret scripture right over other people. Lol. You are so funny!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Anyways, I have posted verses and passages as to why people do not have understanding in regards to God's Word. People do not have understanding because they are being sinful or not seeking to obey God. That is pretty much the answer in a nut shell.

Man's sin prevents the knowledge of the things of GOD.


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[Bible Highlighter]

Someone with sense, if they are self taught and self righteous, would see their own bias in saying that they interpret scripture right over other people. Lol. You are so funny!

May God bless you.
And may His love shine upon you.


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[Goatee]

Anyways, I have posted verses and passages as to why people do not have understanding in regards to God's Word. People do not have understanding because they are being sinful or not seeking to obey God. That is pretty much the answer in a nut shell.

Man's sin prevents the knowledge of the things of GOD.


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And you have that understanding?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

And what might that be exactly?
Do you believe I went down this road?
What verses do you have in mind?


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No, that's the point. Others who did go down that path - the wide path to destruction,
would love it if you and I did too, and everyone else -
as all society is "pernicious" = death dealing wicked , not content to be left by itself, but doing all it can to drag everyone down in wickedness with it.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

No, that's the point. Others who did go down that path - the wide path to destruction,
would love it if you and I did too, and everyone else -
as all society is "pernicious" = death dealing wicked , not content to be left by itself, but doing all it can to drag everyone down in wickedness with it.

Thank you for saying that.
I was getting a little defensive.
Sorry about that.

May God bless you.


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[yeshuaslavejeff]

Someone with sense, if they are self taught and self righteous, would see their own bias in saying that they interpret scripture right over other people. Lol. You are so funny!

It may take a few minutes,
or it may take years,
or it may take decades,
or it may never happen (YHWH KNOWS),
to learn why never to interpret HIS WORD,
and never to accept anyone who does.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

And you have that understanding?

I have provided the passages and verses. What is there to disagree about concerning them?


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[Goatee]

It may take a few minutes,
or it may take years,
or it may take decades,
or it may never happen (YHWH KNOWS),
to learn why never to interpret HIS WORD,
and never to accept anyone who does.

What you say is how you interpret what you read. You fail to see that though.